'Super Rugby' 2021
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I think it is pretty bloody stupid going out an and antagonising potential partners, the NZR Board must be pretty far up their own arses. Not professional at all. Sure you have the results of a study, publish them, but to come out an say 'we might deign to let you in our comp' is just plain dumb. And now they've unleashed a shit storm, and the AR Board (who may well be as dumb) may cut of their nose to spite their face and tell NZR to fuck off, like the majority of their supporters and press have said.
I'm pretty pissed by the whole thing, initially I thought it was just media bullshit, but it looks like NZR really beleive they can decide what Ozzie teams play rather than negotiate it.
I agree with some of that, but equally the Force were considered to be too weak/not useful for Super rugby before, so for RA to bet the house on them being back in the competition now seems strange.
Personally, I’m happy enough with a 5+5 although I think a better comp would be two separate competitions followed by a finals series for Australasian champion. That’s three main sponsors and two competitions each, sharing spoils of the TV deal of one between us.
It’s also expandable and could easily include SA plus future partners.
NZRU, you can send my check in the mail.
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I agree with some of that, but equally the Force were considered to be too weak/not useful for Super rugby before, so for RA to bet the house on them being back in the competition now seems strange.
Personally, I’m happy enough with a 5+5 although I think a better comp would be two separate competitions followed by a finals series for Australasian champion. That’s three main sponsors and two competitions each, sharing spoils of the TV deal of one between us.
It’s also expandable and could easily include SA plus future partners.
NZRU, you can send my check in the mail.
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@gt12 yeah, seems weird that the Force are now the hill to die on when they weren’t even in Super rugby at the start of the year.
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This is starting to remind me of the good old days when the aussies stole the World Cup hosting because of the signage rules
Next Bledisloe is going to be great.
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
This is starting to remind me of the good old days when the aussies stole the World Cup hosting because of the signage rules
Next Bledisloe is going to be great.
I wonder how much of this is being drummed up as something it's not in order to concoct a narrative of discord and bring more interest to events on the field...?
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Thing i dont really get is, if a couple of teams did decide to randomly abandon Australia and join the NZ comp - they wouldn't be any stronger than they are now? Sure NZ would have probably managed to destroy Australian rugby forever - but for what? Very confusing.
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Thing i dont really get is, if a couple of teams did decide to randomly abandon Australia and join the NZ comp - they wouldn't be any stronger than they are now? Sure NZ would have probably managed to destroy Australian rugby forever - but for what? Very confusing.
@Derpus I read the IRB constitution a while back and there was a provision in there that states a national union needs to sanction all games within their jurisdiction so its not really possible for say the waratahs to rebel against the wishes of the RA.
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@Derpus I read the IRB constitution a while back and there was a provision in there that states a national union needs to sanction all games within their jurisdiction so its not really possible for say the waratahs to rebel against the wishes of the RA.
@SidBarret said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus I read the IRB constitution a while back and there was a provision in there that states a national union needs to sanction all games within their jurisdiction so its not really possible for say the waratahs to rebel against the wishes of the RA.
What does jurisdiction mean, though? Are you talking about a geographical area or something else?
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@SidBarret said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus I read the IRB constitution a while back and there was a provision in there that states a national union needs to sanction all games within their jurisdiction so its not really possible for say the waratahs to rebel against the wishes of the RA.
What does jurisdiction mean, though? Are you talking about a geographical area or something else?
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It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
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It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early) -
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)Works for me, sad to not play Bok sides tho. Well when they are here, not so keen on them playing their games in the afternoon making it such as shit NZ time - too late to stay up, fkn early to get up 3am-5am, worst possible times
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)Works for me, sad to not play Bok sides tho. Well when they are here, not so keen on them playing their games in the afternoon making it such as shit NZ time - too late to stay up, fkn early to get up 3am-5am, worst possible times
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)Works for me, sad to not play Bok sides tho. Well when they are here, not so keen on them playing their games in the afternoon making it such as shit NZ time - too late to stay up, fkn early to get up 3am-5am, worst possible times
That's something else they can keep, earlier game times. Some afternoon rugby is much more kid friendly.
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how good have the sunday avo games been! have to say that was always one of the good things about football in the uk, down the pub/ground to watch avo game and you could still kick on after
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)This is essential. One of the main criticisms of Super Rugby over the last few years - and something that was finally going to change, next year - was the automatic qualification for the finals of the highest ranked team in the Aussie conference and the highest ranked team of the SA conference, despite the teams in those conferences having an easier schedule by not having to play all NZ teams and still sometimes ending up on a lower competition points total than several other teams. The game schedule shouldn't favour teams based on the country they're based in.
Btw, I'll also miss the games against teams like the Sharks, Stormers and Jaguares (and the pre-2019 Lions). I think we lose something by not playing SA teams. IMO, we're not going to gain anything by re-admitting the Force. I'm only for adding a PI team if it's based in the PIs and provides a pathway for players overthere. Obviously, no problem with propping up their squad with players now based in Europe (or not picked in NZ or Aus), but I assume the Europe based players will only say goodbye to their European wages if a sponsor of the PI team can pay good salaries or if they're at the end of their overseas' carreers.
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)This is essential. One of the main criticisms of Super Rugby over the last few years - and something that was finally going to change, next year - was the automatic qualification for the finals of the highest ranked team in the Aussie conference and the highest ranked team of the SA conference, despite the teams in those conferences having an easier schedule by not having to play all NZ teams and still sometimes ending up on a lower competition points total than several other teams. The game schedule shouldn't favour teams based on the country they're based in.
Btw, I'll also miss the games against teams like the Sharks, Stormers and Jaguares (and the pre-2019 Lions). I think we lose something by not playing SA teams. IMO, we're not going to gain anything by re-admitting the Force. I'm only for adding a PI team if it's based in the PIs and provides a pathway for players overthere. Obviously, no problem with propping up their squad with players now based in Europe (or not picked in NZ or Aus), but I assume the Europe based players will only say goodbye to their European wages if a sponsor of the PI team can pay good salaries or if they're at the end of their overseas' carreers.
@Stargazer playing the SA teams so regularly, and over there, was of real benefit to NZ rugby as a whole. I'll sort of miss them too.
But then, in those early days, i was a night owl working in hospo, or out drinking piss until all hours, so i would watch a lot of games in the republic. These days? I'll not even watch a recording. Just the sports news highlights.
I'm cool with 5+5, just get it done
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
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@Stargazer playing the SA teams so regularly, and over there, was of real benefit to NZ rugby as a whole. I'll sort of miss them too.
But then, in those early days, i was a night owl working in hospo, or out drinking piss until all hours, so i would watch a lot of games in the republic. These days? I'll not even watch a recording. Just the sports news highlights.
I'm cool with 5+5, just get it done
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
this ^ for me the practical side of watching outweighs seeing slightly higher quality
lets not forget, NZ teams won the first 6 championships, so NZ did ok at building its own quality, its not like it took years for us to get up to speed
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@Stargazer playing the SA teams so regularly, and over there, was of real benefit to NZ rugby as a whole. I'll sort of miss them too.
But then, in those early days, i was a night owl working in hospo, or out drinking piss until all hours, so i would watch a lot of games in the republic. These days? I'll not even watch a recording. Just the sports news highlights.
I'm cool with 5+5, just get it done
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
