'Super Rugby' 2021
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Thing i dont really get is, if a couple of teams did decide to randomly abandon Australia and join the NZ comp - they wouldn't be any stronger than they are now? Sure NZ would have probably managed to destroy Australian rugby forever - but for what? Very confusing.
@Derpus I read the IRB constitution a while back and there was a provision in there that states a national union needs to sanction all games within their jurisdiction so its not really possible for say the waratahs to rebel against the wishes of the RA.
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@Derpus I read the IRB constitution a while back and there was a provision in there that states a national union needs to sanction all games within their jurisdiction so its not really possible for say the waratahs to rebel against the wishes of the RA.
@SidBarret said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus I read the IRB constitution a while back and there was a provision in there that states a national union needs to sanction all games within their jurisdiction so its not really possible for say the waratahs to rebel against the wishes of the RA.
What does jurisdiction mean, though? Are you talking about a geographical area or something else?
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@SidBarret said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus I read the IRB constitution a while back and there was a provision in there that states a national union needs to sanction all games within their jurisdiction so its not really possible for say the waratahs to rebel against the wishes of the RA.
What does jurisdiction mean, though? Are you talking about a geographical area or something else?
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It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
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It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early) -
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)Works for me, sad to not play Bok sides tho. Well when they are here, not so keen on them playing their games in the afternoon making it such as shit NZ time - too late to stay up, fkn early to get up 3am-5am, worst possible times
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)Works for me, sad to not play Bok sides tho. Well when they are here, not so keen on them playing their games in the afternoon making it such as shit NZ time - too late to stay up, fkn early to get up 3am-5am, worst possible times
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)Works for me, sad to not play Bok sides tho. Well when they are here, not so keen on them playing their games in the afternoon making it such as shit NZ time - too late to stay up, fkn early to get up 3am-5am, worst possible times
That's something else they can keep, earlier game times. Some afternoon rugby is much more kid friendly.
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how good have the sunday avo games been! have to say that was always one of the good things about football in the uk, down the pub/ground to watch avo game and you could still kick on after
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)This is essential. One of the main criticisms of Super Rugby over the last few years - and something that was finally going to change, next year - was the automatic qualification for the finals of the highest ranked team in the Aussie conference and the highest ranked team of the SA conference, despite the teams in those conferences having an easier schedule by not having to play all NZ teams and still sometimes ending up on a lower competition points total than several other teams. The game schedule shouldn't favour teams based on the country they're based in.
Btw, I'll also miss the games against teams like the Sharks, Stormers and Jaguares (and the pre-2019 Lions). I think we lose something by not playing SA teams. IMO, we're not going to gain anything by re-admitting the Force. I'm only for adding a PI team if it's based in the PIs and provides a pathway for players overthere. Obviously, no problem with propping up their squad with players now based in Europe (or not picked in NZ or Aus), but I assume the Europe based players will only say goodbye to their European wages if a sponsor of the PI team can pay good salaries or if they're at the end of their overseas' carreers.
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
This. No silly confirmed semi final spots for the much weaker Aussie conference, and for the PI team give a concrete date, eg 2022, to add that team, and maybe one from Japan to keep the teams even.
For weaker teams, like the Chiefs
, it will give them somebody to beat. (Getting in early)This is essential. One of the main criticisms of Super Rugby over the last few years - and something that was finally going to change, next year - was the automatic qualification for the finals of the highest ranked team in the Aussie conference and the highest ranked team of the SA conference, despite the teams in those conferences having an easier schedule by not having to play all NZ teams and still sometimes ending up on a lower competition points total than several other teams. The game schedule shouldn't favour teams based on the country they're based in.
Btw, I'll also miss the games against teams like the Sharks, Stormers and Jaguares (and the pre-2019 Lions). I think we lose something by not playing SA teams. IMO, we're not going to gain anything by re-admitting the Force. I'm only for adding a PI team if it's based in the PIs and provides a pathway for players overthere. Obviously, no problem with propping up their squad with players now based in Europe (or not picked in NZ or Aus), but I assume the Europe based players will only say goodbye to their European wages if a sponsor of the PI team can pay good salaries or if they're at the end of their overseas' carreers.
@Stargazer playing the SA teams so regularly, and over there, was of real benefit to NZ rugby as a whole. I'll sort of miss them too.
But then, in those early days, i was a night owl working in hospo, or out drinking piss until all hours, so i would watch a lot of games in the republic. These days? I'll not even watch a recording. Just the sports news highlights.
I'm cool with 5+5, just get it done
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
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@Stargazer playing the SA teams so regularly, and over there, was of real benefit to NZ rugby as a whole. I'll sort of miss them too.
But then, in those early days, i was a night owl working in hospo, or out drinking piss until all hours, so i would watch a lot of games in the republic. These days? I'll not even watch a recording. Just the sports news highlights.
I'm cool with 5+5, just get it done
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
this ^ for me the practical side of watching outweighs seeing slightly higher quality
lets not forget, NZ teams won the first 6 championships, so NZ did ok at building its own quality, its not like it took years for us to get up to speed
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@Stargazer playing the SA teams so regularly, and over there, was of real benefit to NZ rugby as a whole. I'll sort of miss them too.
But then, in those early days, i was a night owl working in hospo, or out drinking piss until all hours, so i would watch a lot of games in the republic. These days? I'll not even watch a recording. Just the sports news highlights.
I'm cool with 5+5, just get it done
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
it's creating news in the Aus media about rugby for a change. And it gives us something to talk about.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
do we know that? i mean, if its successful...do we honestly think they'll go back to the the old one?
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
do we know that? i mean, if its successful...do we honestly think they'll go back to the the old one?
@Kiwiwomble I'd say money is everything. At the moment there's no way a TT comp would draw in as much cash.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
(i also highly doubt NZ will end up with 4 semi finalists).
Probs three, but definitely two home semis.
Also this seems like a lot of angst for a one year competition.
I am not so sure this is a one yer comp. This is designed for the future going forward from Aritipu, not just a Covid stop gap.
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@Kiwiwomble I'd say money is everything. At the moment there's no way a TT comp would draw in as much cash.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble I'd say money is everything. At the moment there's no way a TT comp would draw in as much cash.
yeah, this is a consideration, though probably not as big a one as SA fans would like to have us believe
The conference system really should have worked. It gave everyone what they wanted. Derbies. Home content. A reason to follow the team deep in to the season.
What fucked it was the fact that the Aussie and South African teams fell off a cliff, and so despite playing each other multiple times, the NZ teams were still at the top of the table. And then the "inequities" set in, which built resentment.
While in Aus, the resentment was that they fucking hate losing, and turned off as their teams were so uncompetitive. I assume in SA they hated it because they still thought it was rigged. Also too many games at shit times.
Japan was a good idea done poorly. Argentina was a nice gesture that added too many fucking miles.
You can't make a competition that covers so many miles. It just does not work. This requires some seriously creative thinking. Or market forces finally take over, and we become Brazil in soccer (if we're lucky).
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It's all becoming a little mundane. Just organise the 5+5 comp - no conferences and a four team finals series - and let performances on the field do the talking. When we end up with four Kiwi sides in the finals, the point will be proven. The Pacifika idea is cute, but highly likely to be unsustainable, so shelve it.
@shark I think we would at least have the Brumbies in the final four, who were coming second before lockdown.
But, regardless, i really don't see the issue for you. If you have four finalists isn't that great? you get two home semis and derbies to boot.
