AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?
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@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I don't see the point in DMac, but I can see they might select him in the hopes they can get him right
Selection isn't objective, every rugby fan has a bias towards a team they support. Do you think Foster cheers for the Chiefs?
I fully expect some close calls to fall the way of Chiefs players. DMac makes it and I can't see Boshier missing out (he's probably competing with Papali'i for a spot)Not a criticism of Foster I would have said a similar thing if Robertson was coach. It's unavoidable.
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@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I don't see the point in DMac, but I can see they might select him in the hopes they can get him right
Selection isn't objective, every rugby fan has a bias towards a team they support. Do you think Foster cheers for the Chiefs?
I fully expect some close calls to fall the way of Chiefs players. DMac makes it and I can't see Boshier missing out (he's probably competing with Papali'i for a spot)Not a criticism of Foster I would have said a similar thing if Robertson was coach. It's unavoidable.
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
every rugby fan has a bias towards a team they support
I actually don't do that.
I support Uni, Akl, Blues, ABs. If I think a Ponies player is better than a Uni guy, I want him at AKl, etc, etc.
I don't really care where a player is from to play for the ABs. I just want the best players in the ABs completely objectively. Opinion on who the best players are is a bit different of course.
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@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
If the Bledisloe goes ahead it will basically be a full year since either team has played.
Both teams with new coaches.
Both teams with presumably a decent camp to prepare.
Sounds fun.
of course it does. and we'll watch the shit out of it, if it happens
a few pretty serious hurdles to overcome.
If the Wallabies are allowed in to NZ, does that mean those two Warriors players are too?
They're already signed off, I think.
So Ozzie stadiums will be allowed to be full for the tests? Are they now?
no they aren't. There were too many at one in NSW on the weekend apparently.
K. The way Oz is going CV19 wise, the chances of anyone in Au Stadiums in a few months is low
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
If the Bledisloe goes ahead it will basically be a full year since either team has played.
Both teams with new coaches.
Both teams with presumably a decent camp to prepare.
Sounds fun.
of course it does. and we'll watch the shit out of it, if it happens
a few pretty serious hurdles to overcome.
If the Wallabies are allowed in to NZ, does that mean those two Warriors players are too?
They're already signed off, I think.
So Ozzie stadiums will be allowed to be full for the tests? Are they now?
no they aren't. There were too many at one in NSW on the weekend apparently.
K. The way Oz is going CV19 wise, the chances of anyone in Au Stadiums in a few months is low
Victoria is rooted, but Queensland and NSW are still OK. Queensland can have up to 20k I think in a ground, and NSW up to 10k? Could be better by November, could be worse.
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@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
every rugby fan has a bias towards a team they support
I actually don't do that.
I support Uni, Akl, Blues, ABs. If I think a Ponies player is better than a Uni guy, I want him at AKl, etc, etc.
I don't really care where a player is from to play for the ABs. I just want the best players in the ABs completely objectively. Opinion on who the best players are is a bit different of course.
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I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
@Duluth Maybe for some, and they are obvious on here, but I really don't give a shit where the AB players are from. As long as they are at least, one of the very few best at their position. The lines are a bit blurred provincially, and with franchises anyway so I just want the best guys representing the "higher honour" teams.
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I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.
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@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.
What impact would the Chiefs beating the Canes by a million points have on that position?
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@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.
I have felt like that about the Blues for the best part of a decade.
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@Duluth Maybe for some, and they are obvious on here, but I really don't give a shit where the AB players are from. As long as they are at least, one of the very few best at their position. The lines are a bit blurred provincially, and with franchises anyway so I just want the best guys representing the "higher honour" teams.
..and of course you don't have any power in a AB selection. So your pure objective analysis won't get put to the test.
My point was simply that in the real world people have a bias towards teams they support. That may be unconscious.
It's a factor in team selection.. particularly on a close callI'm not expecting a squad full of Chiefs. However I would be shocked if it is as low as 3, which some people have predicted.
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..and of course you don't have any power in a AB selection. So your pure objective analysis won't get put to the test.
My point was simply that in the real world people have a bias towards teams they support. That may be unconscious.
It's a factor in team selection.. particularly on a close callI'm not expecting a squad full of Chiefs. However I would be shocked if it is as low as 3, which some people have predicted.
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@Duluth So you reckon the selectors are biased?
Probably correct. That I understand as they work with the players and know them. As you said, I don't, and therefore can have objective opinions as a supporter of each level of team.
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@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I think the selectors are human
Some people are better at emotionally distancing themselves from decisions as well.
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@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Better not perfect
Nothing in rugby is perfect, the laws, the refs, the teams. I just want to see the best players play in the rep teams with no bias.
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@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.
What impact would the Chiefs beating the Canes by a million points have on that position?
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.
What impact would the Chiefs beating the Canes by a million points have on that position?
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@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Better not perfect
Nothing in rugby is perfect, the laws, the refs, the teams. I just want to see the best players play in the rep teams with no bias.
@Snowy said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I just want to see the best players play in the rep teams with no bias
I agree that's an ideal that should be aimed for
In reality that's impossible.
But yes I'd hope there was no conscious bias from a selector and hopefully robust arguments would minimise unconscious bias. It's always going to be there though.
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If we are looking at Fozzies history, expect barely deserving Waikato players to be selected
Pen Sevu Reece in to the 14 jersey right now.
