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<p>I think it would require an FBI investigation. <strong>We have been told no-one wanted this referendum & no-one wants the news flag,</strong> so there would have to be paranormal phenomena to explain it I reckon.</p>
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<p>(I'm still expecting the old flag to win by about 55% to 45%).</p>
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<p>We've also been told its a distraction from the tppa sighing,a massive waste of money, a failed process because no vexoligists were involved [the flag expert who was on the committee doesn't count apparently] a vanity project for Key, already decided by Key so the vote is a farce, a way of avoiding treaty obligations. </p>
<p>I'd vote for change if the new flag was a picture of Gerry Brownlee 69ing Helen Clark on a green and gold background to avoid being associated with the sorts of losers who buy into that crap.</p> -
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<p>We've also been told its a distraction from the tppa sighing,a massive waste of money, a failed process because no vexoligists were involved [the flag expert who was on the committee doesn't count apparently] a vanity project for Key, already decided by Key so the vote is a farce, a way of avoiding treaty obligations. </p>
<p><strong>I'd vote for change if the new flag was a picture of Gerry Brownlee 69ing Helen Clark on a green and gold background to avoid being associated with the sorts of losers who buy into that crap.</strong></p>
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<p>You are a sick, sick bastard Jegga. :puke:</p> -
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We've also been told its a distraction from the tppa sighing,a massive waste of money, a failed process because no vexoligists were involved [the flag expert who was on the committee doesn't count apparently] a vanity project for Key, already decided by Key so the vote is a farce, a way of avoiding treaty obligations. <br>
I'd vote for change if the new flag was a picture of Gerry Brownlee 69ing Helen Clark on a green and gold background to avoid being associated with the sorts of losers who buy into that crap.</p></blockquote>Some prick walked dog shit into the office today and I drew the short straw to clean it up. 5 intensive rounds of rock,paper,scissors and proposed cost evaluation of getting the cleaner in for a one off and then finally i gave in. <br><br>
Who knew cleaning up dog shit wouldnt be the grossest thing id come across today.<br><br>
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<p>We've also been told its a distraction from the tppa sighing,a massive waste of money, a failed process because no vexoligists were involved [the flag expert who was on the committee doesn't count apparently] a vanity project for Key, already decided by Key so the vote is a farce, a way of avoiding treaty obligations. </p>
<p>I'd vote for change if the new flag was a picture of Gerry Brownlee 69ing Helen Clark on a green and gold background to avoid being associated with the sorts of losers who buy into that crap.</p>
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<p>Somehow I don't think that's going to make it into one of Mokey's books!</p>
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<p>Thanks fellas</p>
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<p>Pretty good system, only relies on reading , ticking and finding a post box. Over here it's much easier, whoever gives you 20-50 bucks is the one you vote for easy peezy - then the army takes over but you've spent your money by then :)</p>
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<p>Perhaps a TSF poll to spice up this nation changing referendum ;)</p>
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<p>I voted online in the first referendum.</p>
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<p>Somehow I don't think that's going to make it into one of Mokey's books!</p>
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<p>Nope - but based on some of the fucked up stuff available on Amazon, there would be people out there who would buy the Gerry and Helen adult colouring book.</p> -
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<p>Somehow I don't think that's going to make it into one of Mokey's books!</p>
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<p><strong>As an aside, what do you consider genuine/legit disagreement or warranted unhappiness about the whole flag bizo?</strong></p>
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<p>The timing I guess, there's been no real push for change and the two previous attempts failed to get traction. If someone had said " hang on is this the time to be doing this, we still have a generation that has a very real attachment to this flag and we should respect that" I could understand that. I'd still want change though.</p>
<p>The reasons offered have been largely centred around a rabid dislike for Key and national , how weak to let feelings like that decide our flag.</p> -
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<p>Nope - but based on some of the fucked up stuff available on Amazon, there would be people out there who would buy the Gerry and Helen adult colouring book.</p>
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<p>I think it would require an FBI investigation. We have been told no-one wanted this referendum & no-one wants the news flag, so there would have to be paranormal phenomena to explain it I reckon.</p>
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<p>(I'm still expecting the old flag to win by about 55% to 45%).</p>
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<p>funny - I wrote on a FB post on pro-keep the flag that it looked it was going to stay due to polls suggesting 60% in their favour, and I was attacked by left, right and sundry for hugely over-estimating the support, told I was likely on the Key payroll etc. One guy said he would bet his life it's more like 25% and that shows how full of shit I was.</p>
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<p>The timing I guess, there's been no real push for change and the two previous attempts failed to get traction. If someone had said " hang on is this the time to be doing this, we still have a generation that has a very real attachment to this flag and we should respect that" I could understand that. I'd still want change though.</p>
<p><strong>The reasons offered have been largely centred </strong>around a rabid dislike for Key and national , how weak to let feelings like that decide our flag.</p>
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<p>That's the bit that makes the anti-Key etc etc opposition a pain. If you don't rate how it's gone down you tend to get aligned with the fringe... which in this case is super vocal and feral. I'm pro-change but dislike the options and like a lot of ferners think the conversation has sunk pretty fucking low at times. Agree that the status quo is the most likely outcome. Maybe next time aye, then laser kiwi will get a fair crack. </p> -
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<p>damn straight. It was a good plan too, just completely fucked up on the ground on the first day. </p>
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<p>I'm really tied on this one.</p>
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<p>I am of the school that wants change from our current flag but thinks we could have had a better option.</p>
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<p>I'm the same, although I would likely vote for the new one, but when I tried to register I couldn't because I don't have a photo attached to my RealMe account although I managed to get a passport using my RealMe.</p> -
<p>I heard the guy from the RSA on the radio yesterday and he was asked to give the one good reason why the flag shouldn't change.</p>
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<p>His answer was that people shouldn't vote for change because of the process that was run.</p>
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<p>Pretty weak if you ask me. The process was muddled and flawed but the upshot is that however we got here we now have a decision on whether to stay or change.</p>
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<p>If he had a good argument for keeping the current flag then he would have been more credible. </p>
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I'm not buying into the "process was flawed" line to be honest , they had a committee with a decent cross section of nz , opened it to public submissions and had a roadshow around the country , narrowed it down to forty and we got to vote on the final four. The process was fucked up mostly by activists who came up with bullshit reasons to keep it and invented concerns like having no vexilogists on the committee add the red peak twitter campaign which resulted in the govt allowing it into the options I fail to see what more they could have done to make the process better in the face of such unrelenting fuckwittery. <br><br>
I put flawed process down with we need to keep the Union Jack as a reminder of our past . Basically just bullshit to try and pick holes in it .<br>
As for the rsa , my father served two years overseas with the army. Like most people he said the occasional dopey thing but he never said anything about fighting for our flag, only a moron dies for a bit if cloth from what he told me it was all about mate ship and not letting each other doen when it counted. His headstone , service medals and all of his badges have ferns on them , not even a southern cross. -
I've seen the "no graphic designers or vexiwhatsits involved!" argument flying around. Most of the time it is preceded by "That bastard John Key made sure" :think:<br><br>
It really comes down to opinion. It's art - you like it, you may not. Either way, no Mac-using hipster with a degree in drawing pretty lines is likely to change that. <br><br>
If the process was broken, then what was the answer? Keep adding flags to the voting options until everyone was happy? And have 4 million people vote for one of sixteen thousand flags?<br><br>
This isn't fucking primary school where everyone wins a prize.
