Top Ferners underrated players
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre. -
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
Wrong. Poms believe that all backs, including the 2nd 5 and centre, exist to tackle and chase after the first 5's kicks
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@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
Wrong. Poms believe that all backs, including the 2nd 5 and centre, exist to tackle and chase after the first 5's kicks
@canefan said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
Wrong. Poms believe that all backs, including the 2nd 5 and centre, exist to tackle and chase after the first 5's kicks
Fly half
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Read the title of this thread as ‘Top Ferners underrated’..was then expecting to be tagged here, so yeah kinda disappointed and relieved at the same time.
@Virgil said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Read the title of this thread as ‘Top Ferners underrated’..was then expecting to be tagged here, so yeah kinda disappointed and relived at the same time.
You’ll always have a place in my heart Virg. It takes a special kind of nerd to organise the fernies like you did.
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
Pom's don't even use the term Five-eight. It was a kiwi coined phrase decades ago.
As the game has changed so has the role of the 12.
In NZ the classic (i.e. traditional) style 12 is not the current model like Faiane/ALB/Goodhue etc
Nonu was an exception to the rule in that when he moved to 12 it was for line bending but over time he developed a much wider range of skills.
We refer to 12 and 13 as the Centres do we not? -
@Virgil said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Read the title of this thread as ‘Top Ferners underrated’..was then expecting to be tagged here, so yeah kinda disappointed and relived at the same time.
You’ll always have a place in my heart Virg. It takes a special kind of nerd to organise the fernies like you did.
@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Virgil said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Read the title of this thread as ‘Top Ferners underrated’..was then expecting to be tagged here, so yeah kinda disappointed and relived at the same time.
You’ll always have a place in my heart Virg. It takes a special kind of nerd to organise the fernies like you did.
Way things are going might be a 2nd set of Fernies coming up.
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@cgrant said in Top Ferners underrated players:
- Ben May. I just don't understand the hate for this long serving prop. Stupid penalties at times but solid in most phases.
- Jamie Booth. He's been excellent for the Canes this year.
- Ollie Norris. Not a single word on him after the Chiefs games in which he took part. Was OK against Lomax last Saturday. Remember he has just turned 20 so definitely a promising youngster.
- Ah Kuoi. In my view, he was the best Chiefs player in their tight five this year.
- Dillon Hunt. Consistently very good for the Landers. Better than Kirifi who does not know how to make a pass but who has the love of most Ferners.
I must have missed the hate for Ben May. Hes been almost a key player for the Canes with the injuries etc.
Ah Kuoi. Hes young still. And he made the team then was injured. But looked promising for wellington last yearAnother Canes player that is often underrated is Goosen. Fast and a good defender and 1st rate decision making
Re Prinsep. He was poorish in the first two losses but was much better as the team improved
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Winger still don’t rate Princep as a super player but I agree with the other comments
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane ( not Cory ) springs to mind
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@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Goodhue is out of position - he's a centre. Laumape doesn't have the skillset. You might want to watch TJ Faiane's game.
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Goodhue is out of position - he's a centre. Laumape doesn't have the skillset. You might want to watch TJ Faiane's game.
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Goodhue is out of position - he's a centre. Laumape doesn't have the skillset. You might want to watch TJ Faiane's game.
Fair enough. I probably hold my view of him because I haven't noticed him doing much as a 'second controller'. I will watch out for it.
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Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
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@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
If Ralph was a colour he'd be clear
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
Well he did get a hatrrick against Italy without beating a single player.....so yes.
I'm looking forward to @Nepia jumping in to defend him and tell us all that his "flair" was coached out of him though
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
Well he did get a hatrrick against Italy without beating a single player.....so yes.
I'm looking forward to @Nepia jumping in to defend him and tell us all that his "flair" was coached out of him though
@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
Well he did get a hatrrick against Italy without beating a single player.....so yes.
I'm looking forward to @Nepia jumping in to defend him and tell us all that his "flair" was coached out of him though
Thanks for bringing this up, I 100% think his flair was coached out of him, he still had glimpses of it when he played for the Maori though.
I resent the implication that I was somehow defending him with these comments though.
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@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
Well he did get a hatrrick against Italy without beating a single player.....so yes.
I'm looking forward to @Nepia jumping in to defend him and tell us all that his "flair" was coached out of him though
Thanks for bringing this up, I 100% think his flair was coached out of him, he still had glimpses of it when he played for the Maori though.
I resent the implication that I was somehow defending him with these comments though.
@Nepia said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
Well he did get a hatrrick against Italy without beating a single player.....so yes.
I'm looking forward to @Nepia jumping in to defend him and tell us all that his "flair" was coached out of him though
Thanks for bringing this up, I 100% think his flair was coached out of him, he still had glimpses of it when he played for the Maori though.
I resent the implication that I was somehow defending him with these comments though.
7 minute response time, what are you doing, working or something ?
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Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
yeah, i like bridge, i dont watch the saders every weeks though so might be missing something
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Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
If he is to be equated with Ben Smith then he should be honing his fullback skills.
I don't hate him, just think we can do better on the wing.
At high international level you need wingers that can battle through that last 2 metres to the line. Whether by strength, fend or swerve.
I get the feeling that Bridge requires more of a clear run. He does have skills to give himself that opportunity and those work against lesser teams.
I just get the feeling that he will find himself bundled out often.
