Top Ferners underrated players
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@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Goodhue is out of position - he's a centre. Laumape doesn't have the skillset. You might want to watch TJ Faiane's game.
Fair enough. I probably hold my view of him because I haven't noticed him doing much as a 'second controller'. I will watch out for it.
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
Well he did get a hatrrick against Italy without beating a single player.....so yes.
I'm looking forward to @Nepia jumping in to defend him and tell us all that his "flair" was coached out of him though
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@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
Well he did get a hatrrick against Italy without beating a single player.....so yes.
I'm looking forward to @Nepia jumping in to defend him and tell us all that his "flair" was coached out of him though
Thanks for bringing this up, I 100% think his flair was coached out of him, he still had glimpses of it when he played for the Maori though.
I resent the implication that I was somehow defending him with these comments though.
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@Nepia said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 I meant quality over quantity and I hope this was supporting video to that point.
Well he did get a hatrrick against Italy without beating a single player.....so yes.
I'm looking forward to @Nepia jumping in to defend him and tell us all that his "flair" was coached out of him though
Thanks for bringing this up, I 100% think his flair was coached out of him, he still had glimpses of it when he played for the Maori though.
I resent the implication that I was somehow defending him with these comments though.
7 minute response time, what are you doing, working or something ?
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
yeah, i like bridge, i dont watch the saders every weeks though so might be missing something
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
If he is to be equated with Ben Smith then he should be honing his fullback skills.
I don't hate him, just think we can do better on the wing.
At high international level you need wingers that can battle through that last 2 metres to the line. Whether by strength, fend or swerve.
I get the feeling that Bridge requires more of a clear run. He does have skills to give himself that opportunity and those work against lesser teams.
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@Crucial see, i feel we have people like frizzell for throwing themselves at the defense with five meters to go
I think a wing that can split the defense from range is some good variety
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
If he is to be equated with Ben Smith then he should be honing his fullback skills.
Smith's footwork was next level. That guy just beat people so often with a jink and step and swerve, and created some incredible AB tries. I don't see much of that in Bridge - seems more a Zac Guildford v2.0
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@Kiwiwomble said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial see, i feel we have people like frizzell for throwing themselves at the defense with five meters to go
I think a wing that can split the defense from range is some good variety
Those breaks need to get results though. Your best chance of scoring after a break is for the player that made the break to be able to go all the way. Second best chance is to link with good support.
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@nzzp said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
If he is to be equated with Ben Smith then he should be honing his fullback skills.
Smith's footwork was next level. That guy just beat people so often with a jink and step and swerve, and created some incredible AB tries. I don't see much of that in Bridge - seems more a Zac Guildford v2.0
Begs the big question, who was less shit ? Guildford or Ralph ?
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@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@nzzp said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
If he is to be equated with Ben Smith then he should be honing his fullback skills.
Smith's footwork was next level. That guy just beat people so often with a jink and step and swerve, and created some incredible AB tries. I don't see much of that in Bridge - seems more a Zac Guildford v2.0
Begs the big question, who was less shit ? Guildford or Ralph ?
I know which one drunk less... oooohhh...
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@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@nzzp said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Don't understand the Bridge hate. He's Ben Smith in the early days. I never saw Caleb Ralph score tries like Bridge does either..
If he is to be equated with Ben Smith then he should be honing his fullback skills.
Smith's footwork was next level. That guy just beat people so often with a jink and step and swerve, and created some incredible AB tries. I don't see much of that in Bridge - seems more a Zac Guildford v2.0
Begs the big question, who was less shit ? Guildford or Ralph ?
Ralph got more leeway
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@Crucial when ive seen bridge i always thought he was a great finisher, as i say, maybe ive missed the bad stuff
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@Kiwiwomble said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial when ive seen bridge i always thought he was a great finisher, as i say, maybe ive missed the bad stuff
Yeah but define a "great finisher".....is that merely someone who can catch a ball and run unopposed to the line ? Ralph was constantly referred to as a great finisher by Nisbo and Mex back in the day.
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@MN5 i wont argue whether its universally true, i just havent seen him play enough, but what i remembered and then looked up on some highlight videos was yes, split the defense and run away but also receive a pass close to the line and get it down under pressure, a couple one handed body in the air in touch arm around the corner flag type deals....but maybe for each one of those he's dropped 10
