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Hahaha - you're calling someone pompous, that's the equivalent of firing ballistic missiles in glass houses.<br><br>
Furthermore, you're making shit up, I've barely been on this thread aside from my recent comments and some early on.<br><br>
I told you exactly why it was flawed/higgeldy piggledy/not perfect (is it semantics week?). You're ignoring that for whatever reason you feel like.<br><br>
I haven't said one anti Key thing on this thread - that's in your mind -(speaking of not telling people what they honk jackass) I'm happy that he's pushed the flag change forward. <br><br>
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<p>Just had a read of the flag thread on planet rugby, take my advice and don't . Its pretty much full of the same sort of crap as the facebook posts that have been popping up here.</p>
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<p>Anyone childish enough to call Key Jong Kee deserves the same amount of respect as the loons who used to call Clark Hulun Klark, ie none at all. </p> -
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Found this on Facebook. Pretty much sums it up for me. (In another post, he notes the NZ flag was designed in 1869, adopted in 1902. The Aussie flag was chosen from competition entries in 1901, modified by King Edward in 1903 and adopted 1908. SO WHO COPIED WHO???) :mail: :think: <span><span><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.facebook.com/MAORIMADE/?fref=nf'>Steve the Maori</a></span></span><div>
<div><span><span><a class="" href="https://www.facebook.com/MAORIMADE/photos/a.115767788505937.25594.108700732545976/970416646374376/?type=3"><span>February 25 at 10:04am</span></a><span> · </span><a class="" href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tauranga-New-Zealand/115055298507659">Tauranga, New Zealand</a></span></span><span> · </span></div>
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<p>Let's try this.</p>
<p>Remove thinking about your hate of the National Party and the Prime Minister.<br>
Take note that the money has already been spent ($26,000,000)</p>
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<p>Now read everything below and ask yourself if it's a good idea?</p>
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<p>a couple of the points in that graphic are pointless and probably detract from it IMO, but the overall picture is good...but it is clear some people cant get past thier hatred and lack of knowledge.</p>
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<p>Elsewhere in this thread I pointed out we had a referendum up here for a Maori Art Centre, styled on Austrian <span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="color:rgb(69,50,5);font-family:'Source Sans Pro', Arial, sans-serif;">Friedensreich Hundertwasser design </span></span>who made Northland his home and he designed a building for Whangarei. Again, this was all done through a democratic process (although the council made the mistake of trying to do a 1000 person phone survey to guage opinion, which was about 70-30 against) the referendum was based on 1 of 3 choices - the Hundertwasser, a Maritime Museum or demolish the building they wish to use and go from there - and yet still people moan it was rigged and the council just doing what they want, and they will never visit the centre blah blah blah, lots of hate for those who support it. </p>
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<p>Even when the Govt. recently announced they would ve giving 4mill towards it people bitching and moaning that this should be spent on roads, hospitals, kids etc...lacking in knowledge that if this grant didnt come here, it woulda gone to another similar project elsewhere in NZ, they simply didnt understand that money was never going to be used for a 'nicer' project.</p> -
I'm torn here, Lizzy Marvelly is hot . However she has a herald column , she's a shitlebrity telling us we should ignore shitlebrity/celebrity's opinions on the flag<br>
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<p>Good old Winny, he and Trump should hang out...some of the comments on FB show there are plenty of rednecks in NZ too.</p>
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<p>Guess it just goes to show how far out of touch with things Winny is and how he clearly doesnt know how it all works in NZ! </p>
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<p>Funny how he didnt bring this issue out before the 1st vote, but now after people got to vote on which flag he wants to take away thier option of voting in this one, despite being allowed to vote in the General Election.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/peters-immigrants-shouldnt-vote-in-flag-referendum-2016022812#axzz41Js8OrV2'>http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/peters-immigrants-shouldnt-vote-in-flag-referendum-2016022812#axzz41Js8OrV2</a></p>
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<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:1em;">Immigrants should get to have their say when it comes to choosing New Zealand's flag in the upcoming referendum, according to the Change the NZ Flag chairman.</p>
<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:1em;"><strong>Immigrants with New Zealand residency are presently allowed to vote in the referendum, but NZ First leader Winston Peters has argued that "outsiders" such as immigrants shouldn't be heard.</strong></p>
<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:1em;">"Why should thousands of immigrants who have come here in recent years be involved in making a decision that goes, in the words of the flag committee, to the very heart of who we are and what we are as a nation?" he said.</p>
<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:1em;">"You will not find any other country that would allow outsiders to make a decision about their national identity and it certainly should not happen here."</p>
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<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:1em;">But Change the NZ Flag chairman Lewis Holden rebuked the NZ First leader and said the alternate fern and stars flag will unite all New Zealanders under a new, fresh banner.</p>
<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:1em;">"I had hoped Mr Peters would have grown tired of playing the immigrant card," he said today.</p>
<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:1em;"><strong>"Some people who have residency may have lived in New Zealand for very long periods of time and have legitimate reasons to keep the passport of another country."</strong></p>
<p style="font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-family:inherit;font-size:1em;"><strong>The second flag referendum opens on March 3.</strong></p>
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<p><span style="margin:0px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);">Read more: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/peters-immigrants-shouldnt-vote-in-flag-referendum-2016022812#ixzz41QNGkkbJ'>http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/peters-immigrants-shouldnt-vote-in-flag-referendum-2016022812#ixzz41QNGkkbJ</a></span></p> -
<p>He has a point, there are likely several in this thread who are ineligible to vote by virtue of being out of NZ for 3 years despite being invested in NZ from birth while many recent non-citizens holding PR are eligible.</p>
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<p>My wife has PR, lived in NZ for 12 years, pays tax, has 2 Kiwi kids, is allowed to vote in the General Election and gets called up to Jury service, why shouldnt she have the right to vote for this?</p>
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<p>We are not talking about other countries, we are talking about NZ, not to mention he didnt bring this issue up prior to the first part of the referendum, he is grandstanding and worried that these 'immigrants;' who have no right to vote, might vote differently to what he wants, not to mention stirring up a bit of racism.</p> -
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<p>My wife has PR, lived in NZ for 12 years, pays tax, has 2 Kiwi kids, is allowed to vote in the General Election and gets called up to Jury service, why shouldnt she have the right to vote for this?</p>
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<p>We are not talking about other countries, we are talking about NZ, not to mention he didnt bring this issue up prior to the first part of the referendum, he is grandstanding and worried that these 'immigrants;' who have no right to vote, might vote differently to what he wants, not to mention stirring up a bit of racism.</p>
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<p>I'm not particularly sure - although western convention does seem to be voting, holding public office & a right to a passport is restricted to citizens only. I'm not against them voting at all, I am just surprised that NZ which has highly restrictive residency restrictions for NZ citizens and passport holders (those out of NZ for three consecutive years cannot vote) grants someone on day one of a residency visa the right to vote. Similarly the same argument could be made why can't all citizens/residents over the age of 16 (or whatever age you want to pick) vote in this referendum. Wherever you decide to draw the line is arbitrary on some level.</p>
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<p>At least in Australia, Canada & UK (except for the Commonwealth exceptions) a non-citizen couldn't vote, didn't know until today NZ is different.</p> -
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<p>I guess you could draw a line in the sand and say you need to be a PR for 2 or 3 years to qualify to vote in the GE as well, although TBF I dont think it'd make much difference.</p>
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My father worked with him many years ago and said he was pretty much always drunk. -
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I posted a couple of years back when I was in a restaurant and he staggered in steaming drunk and made a cock of himself . Apparently most restaurants near the beehive and in particular the green parrot have stories of his drunken behaviour and I've heard a few of staff spitting in his food and worse. -
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<p>My father worked with him many years ago and said he was pretty much always drunk.</p>
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<p>My cousin used to work at Bellamy's in the Parliament buildings, said Win was his best tipper. Doesn't stop him being a c*nt though</p> -
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<p>Outside of the Commonwealth and EU exceptions, which granted are vast, I can't see an example of a country similar to NZ on that list. </p> -
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<p>Relevant and another example of why I consider the State shouldn't fund broadcasters. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/02/why-are-radionz-and-john-campbell-allowing-death-threats-against-the-prime-minister/'>http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/02/why-are-radionz-and-john-campbell-allowing-death-threats-against-the-prime-minister/</a></p>
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<p>Couldn't disagree more. Campbell is a self-aggrandizing knob-jockey and not a patch on his predecessor, Mary Wilson, but RNZ is the only mainstream media provider in NZ that consistently gives more than a soundbite to an issue. Without govt funding that wavelength would simply be another classic hits format.</p>
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<p>Slater is also a self-aggrandizing knob-jockey</p>
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<p>Vote away<br><br>
Was in Auckland yesterday, saw both flags hanging in the light breeze on the Harbour Bridge, reckon the new one looks better in real life.</p>
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<p>This is a private poll, so fear not the extreme fors/againsts in voting! </p>
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<p>Yup. I was always in favour of doing away with the current flag for the union jack/too close to Oz reasons, but I did find the Lockwood designs uninspired. Still going to vote for change though.</p>
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<p>My biggest issue is the design of the fern which I think is very poor. I think we could have done much better. I have a bloody decent (original) design tattooed on my shoulder that I'll gift to the nation for a lifetime pass to every home AB game :whistle:</p>
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<p>The two flags on the bridge have convinced me that not just philosophically but aesthetically I prefer the new. Strangey though I liked it best when it was the "wrong" blue.</p>
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<p><strong>I would have inverted the process, vote do you want to change yes/no</strong>. If that got up then do your informal yet extensive market research to find out what components and colours we most favour in a flag, have a small but accountable committee come up with a handful of options behind close doors and the have the govt of the day pick whichever they desire (facing the political consequences if they pick a travesty).</p>
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<p>I think it was TR pointed out you need to know what the change is, in order to vote for it. This is the official line on the 2 phase process and their order.</p>
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