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<p>So, anyone actually living in NZ, is referendum 2 a foregone conclusion: sticking with the Union Jack in the upper left corner??</p>
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<p>So, anyone actually living in NZ, is referendum 2 a foregone conclusion: sticking with the Union Jack in the upper left corner??</p>
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<p>TBH, who knows...seems a lot of vocal support for the status quo, but also seems to be a fair amount who are keen for a change, and like Major Rage earlier, disgusted in the behavior of some have had their minds swayed...</p>
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<p>TBH, who knows...seems a lot of vocal support for the status quo, but also seems to be a fair amount who are keen for a change, and like Major Rage earlier, disgusted in the behavior of some have had their minds swayed...</p>
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<p>I think the status quo will remain, but I don't think it is gonna be as much a clear majority as most are suggesting.</p>
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<p>I tend to agree. I think there is a large silent bloc that aren't making their desire for change well known because of the atmosphere of being shouted down.</p>
<p>I think the current flag will stay because of the many muddied arguments (people voting against Key, people voting against the process, people not being 100% happy with the change option, people who vote according to polls because they don't want to be on the losing side).</p>
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<p>One thing that might help is that (surprisingly imo), one of the biggest keep the flag demographics is young people. They are also the least likely take the time to vote.</p>
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<p>Couldn't disagree more. Campbell is a self-aggrandizing knob-jockey and not a patch on his predecessor, Mary Wilson, </p>
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<p>They are as bad as each other IMO. Mary Wilson harangues just about anyone she interviews, digging for dirt where it doesn't exist and harping on about minor points in order to claim a victory. I used to switch off the moment she started in on someone.</p>
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<p>I think I have mentioned an example before where some poor bloke given the task of being the point person to the media in a search and rescue was grilled by her over and over about a minor point as if he deliberately lost the people in the first place.</p> -
<p>plus there is all the mis-information about how it impacts us in the Commonwealth and a raft of other things...one thing that has surprised me is how much it appears Maori appear to be opposed, given what the existing flag represents, although I guess this again is down to the mis-information on what the changing of the flag and the TPPA does to Maori claims against the crown.</p>
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plus there is all the mis-information about how it impacts us in the Commonwealth and a raft of other things...one thing that has surprised me is how much it appears Maori appear to be opposed, given what the existing flag represents, although I guess this again is down to the mis-information on what the changing of the flag and the TPPA does to Maori claims against the crown.</p></blockquote>
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And gaping a holes like Hone straight out lying, he claimed the TPPA had no provisions for Maori yet ours was the only one with provisions for indigenous people negotiated into it. I shudder to think what he and his ilk have said about the flag. -
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<p>My wife has PR, lived in NZ for 12 years, pays tax, has 2 Kiwi kids, is allowed to vote in the General Election and gets called up to Jury service, why shouldnt she have the right to vote for this?</p>
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<p>We are not talking about other countries, we are talking about NZ, not to mention he didnt bring this issue up prior to the first part of the referendum, he is grandstanding and worried that these 'immigrants;' who have no right to vote, might vote differently to what he wants, not to mention stirring up a bit of racism.</p>
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<p>Well in Canada unless you are a citizen you can't vote for anything Federal, Provincial, Town Council, School Board ~ and I'm pretty sure in my house I don't even get a vote on what we watch on TV.</p>
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<p>I'm a landed immigrant but won't become a Canadian because I don't see myself as a Canadian (I'm probably not polite enough) ~ I live here because I didn't read the fine print on the marriage certificate. The thing that bothers me the most about the non vote is you can be in prison for life for raping, killing etc and you get to vote.</p> -
<p>I don't think being able to vote would have swayed Mrs TRs decision to move here.</p>
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<p>I guess for me, the point is, if this was such an issue, and we know Whiney is anti immigration, why didn't he bring this up before the 1st vote, I certainly don't recall it.</p>
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<p>NZ has always tried to be at the forefront of voting rights anyway.</p>
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<p>Well in Canada unless you are a citizen you can't vote for anything Federal, Provincial, Town Council, School Board ~ <strong>and I'm pretty sure in my house I don't even get a vote on what we watch on TV.</strong></p>
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<p>I'm a landed immigrant but won't become a Canadian because I don't see myself as a Canadian (I'm probably not polite enough) ~ I live here because I didn't read the fine print on the marriage certificate. The thing that bothers me the most about the non vote is you can be in prison for life for raping, killing etc and you get to vote.</p>
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<p>I'm with you on that count!</p>
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<p>As to the prison vote, prior to the last election there was bit of noise about that here...for me, I guess the crime you commit should determine if you lose your vote, but drawing that line is the tough part, so is probably easier if you are in prison, you have broken the rules of society, so you don't get a vote on that society.</p> -
<p>I have to put my foot down on some things. I'll be fucked if my boy is watching Blaze and the Monster Machines while Baz's final test vs Aus in on.</p>
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<p>I don't think being able to vote would have swayed Mrs TRs decision to move here.</p>
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<p>Flag was the least of her concerns once she realised she was stuck with you ;)</p> -
<p>doubt she would be stuck with me if I suggested we live in Aus....would make Afghanistan appealing ;)</p>
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<p>doubt she would be stuck with me if I suggested we live in Aus....would make Afghanistan appealing ;)</p>
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<p>And you do let her use appliances when she likes? </p> -
<p>Thank God for timer record. Mind you by the time I get access to the TV I usually fall asleep halfway through.</p>
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<p>But the TV is always mine for AB games (and most Canes games), that is non-negotiable. Mind you, the way the Canes season is shaping this year, I might prefer to watch Heart of Dixie or whatever Godawfulshite the wife is currently viewing.</p> -
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<p>And you do let her use appliances when she likes? </p>
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<p>I did try to get her to get up in the middle of the night when electricity is cheaper to do all the womanly chores, but the vacuum woke me too, so that didn't last long!</p> -
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<p>I remember Bart saying every night he got outvoted and shortland street got preference over any other program , <strong><u>even</u></strong> during Shark week.</p>
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<p>I did try to get her to get up in the middle of the night when electricity is cheaper to do all the womanly chores, but the vacuum woke me too, so that didn't last long!</p>
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<p>Vacuum????? That is some serious power wastage, give the wife minion a dust pan and tell her she is damn lucky!</p>
