NZ v Australia Test #2
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="561898" data-time="1456886433">
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<p>On the face of it, it does appear to be curious timing from Ryder. (Ie Jesse has a potential personality difference with McCullum).</p>
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<p>Although it is the end of the summer, and a natural time to be re-evaluating careers etc.</p>
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<p>Read more like Jesse was in town, caught up with a few of the guys, the last chance he had to do so before they head off to the T20 / IPL & he starts either pre in Essex or IPL (?). Had a chat. No change at all in his position.</p>
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<p>And the NZ press reported it as "Jesse in talks to return!!!"</p>
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<p>And that then moved to "now Baz has gone the door is open to Jesse because he & Baz... something something!!!"</p>
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<p>I quite like this opinion:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11598727'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11598727</a></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="561981" data-time="1456936411">
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<p>I quite like this opinion:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11598727'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11598727</a></p>
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<p>He's a good writer that guy</p>
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<p>Not saying I don't trust you, but those blind links to the herald where you could wind up in a Rattue article remind me of the earlier days of the internet where people got sent to a goat-related website.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="561898" data-time="1456886433">
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<p>On the face of it, it does appear to be curious timing from Ryder. (Ie Jesse has a potential personality difference with McCullum).</p>
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<p>Personality difference?</p>
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<p>More like, one was consumate professional, there for his team and give it all on the feild for his mates and the other was/is a boozing talented cricketer who has never had to work hard and always had it handed to him.</p> -
<p>Sorry what was just "handed" to Jesse Ryder? I don't know what you mean by that.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="561981" data-time="1456936411">
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<p>I quite like this opinion:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11598727'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11598727</a></p>
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<p>He's a good writer that guy</p>
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<p>Fuck, Jesse Ryder is an "all rounder" as well now apparently. Never realised we had a team of 10 Gary Sobers and Imran Khans and a keeper/batsman.</p>
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<p>A bit rough Hooroo, Ryder got in by virtue of runs which weren't "handed" to him, that's for sure.</p> -
<p>Yeah, I kind of agree.</p>
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<p>It was poorly executed on my part.</p>
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<p>What I meant was that he seems lazy, and if something falls over, someone else just picks him up (Move to Otago back to Central and to England etc etc) It never seems if he has to work hard to get rewarded.</p> -
<p>I sorta get your point in a roundabout way Hooroo. I always thought he was a guy that when on song made it look much easier than Ross Taylor ( who lets be honest can look fucken ugly at times especially when that slog sweep goes wrong ) JR looks like a guy who coulda cruised and averaged early 40s ( like Mark Waugh or David Gower ) or knuckle down and possibly been our best ever. Some batsmen just have "that" touch.....Tendulkar, Lara...... </p>
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<p>A rugby equivalent might be Ma'a Nonu who early on was adept at tucking the ball and trampling anyone under foot, that can only get you so far. He could have gone down as a pretty good AB but to his immense credit he learnt to pass, kick, read the game etc and most impressively to me at least run up some of Wellys particularly nasty hills to build the lungs, awesome dedication for a power athlete. That's why he's possibly the best 12 who ever played for the Men in Black.</p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/865093.html'>http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/865093.html</a></p>
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<p>I'll just leave this here. I really enjoy Kimber's writing, and he is a big Jesse fan. So am I, but I'm not sure that test cricket is his place.</p> -
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<p>I sorta get your point in a roundabout way Hooroo. I always thought he was a guy that when on song made it look much easier than Ross Taylor ( who lets be honest can look fucken ugly at times especially when that slog sweep goes wrong ) JR looks like a guy who coulda cruised and averaged early 40s ( like Mark Waugh or David Gower ) or knuckle down and possibly been our best ever. Some batsmen just have "that" touch.....Tendulkar, Lara...... </p>
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<p>A rugby equivalent might be Ma'a Nonu who early on was adept at tucking the ball and trampling anyone under foot, that can only get you so far. He could have gone down as a pretty good AB but to his immense credit he learnt to pass, kick, read the game etc and most impressively to me at least run up some of Wellys particularly nasty hills to build the lungs, awesome dedication for a power athlete. That's why he's possibly the best 12 who ever played for the Men in Black.</p>
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<p>Don't get me wrong, when he bats, especially in test cricket, it is a thing of beauty. I love watching him bat, like I loved watching the Waugh brothers bat.</p>
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<p>Don't get me wrong, when he bats, especially in test cricket, it is a thing of beauty. I love watching him bat, like I loved watching the Waugh brothers bat.</p>
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<p>The way he can look so relaxed against the quickest of bowlers, is something to admire</p>
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<p>Yep and that's precisely what makes it so frustrating. Williamson/Taylor/Ryder one after the other would be as good as anything going about in test cricket now and far and away better than anything in Black Caps history.</p> -
<p>I think theres a wee bit of over hype over Ryder. If you look at what he did in tests, he scored a few huge knocks against India & the Bangles. Played Aussie 4 times & was shithouse.</p>
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<p>Averaged 41 from his first 18 tests. Matt Sinclair averaged 43 from his first 18. And the Fern regard him as a total failure. And his big knocks were against SA & Pak, not fucking India in Napier.....Lou Vincent after 18 tests? 47 average. one of his tons was v Aussie in Perth</p>
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<p>And most of all, his last few seasons he's been reeeeally average in Essex. The idea we should be jerking ourselves senseless at the thought we might get back an overweight, out of form, 31 year old to solve all our issues - as opposed to say giving Nichols a chance to settle in, or move Watling down & hand the gloves to a young guy, only works if you are a "bit" delusional over what Jesse did in his 18 tests & haven't seen him bat in the last 3 years. </p>
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<p>As a T20 player fuck year. He would REALLY add something, but tests? Fat, less good, Matt Sinclair come on down... </p> -
<p>There was a huge public clamour for Ryder a couple of months before RWC - and the BCs seemed to go alright without him. His batting does seem to have regressed in recent years - he did look like he could be a really good test player when he first came into the team but nothing in his recent past indicates he has the single-minded commitment to become a test batsman again.</p>
