AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?
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@pakman said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@number9 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@pakman said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
For what it's worth, my 23:
Moody Ofa T
With the 6 props named I don't think you will see much of Ofa at LH again. Cron and Hansen seemed to want to move him there with varying results.
Late in the North-South game when Ofa returned to play LH with Ta'avao at TH and Scrafton at lock, the NI scrum was going backwards.
Not sure Ta’avao is match fit. Ofa LH and Nepo at TH would be pretty solid.
But agree it looks like he’s going to be focussed on TH.
Don't agree with his at all, Props are Specialist in their positions that is why we got out muscled by the Poms.
Broadly agree with principle, but Joe and Nepo started in semi, which doesn’t seem to support your point.
My hunch is that BBBR wasn’t at 100%, because Itoje at TH lock is a weakness which Boks exploited in final.And Joe is a LH and Nepo TH that supports my point. This whole Hansen way of turning props into utility players weakened the ABs.
I can't stand Justin Marshall but for the fist time in my life I actually agreed with him. He broadly talked about specialist players across the positions, why he was alluding to was that utilities are used in desperate situations. This was echoed by Jeff Wilson I like Fosses approach to his squad selections.
@number9 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@pakman said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@number9 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@pakman said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
For what it's worth, my 23:
Moody Ofa T
With the 6 props named I don't think you will see much of Ofa at LH again. Cron and Hansen seemed to want to move him there with varying results.
Late in the North-South game when Ofa returned to play LH with Ta'avao at TH and Scrafton at lock, the NI scrum was going backwards.
Not sure Ta’avao is match fit. Ofa LH and Nepo at TH would be pretty solid.
But agree it looks like he’s going to be focussed on TH.
Don't agree with his at all, Props are Specialist in their positions that is why we got out muscled by the Poms.
Broadly agree with principle, but Joe and Nepo started in semi, which doesn’t seem to support your point.
My hunch is that BBBR wasn’t at 100%, because Itoje at TH lock is a weakness which Boks exploited in final.And Joe is a LH and Nepo TH that supports my point. This whole Hansen way of turning props into utility players weakened the ABs.
I can't stand Justin Marshall but for the fist time in my life I actually agreed with him. He broadly talked about specialist players across the positions, why he was alluding to was that utilities are used in desperate situations. This was echoed by Jeff Wilson I like Fosses approach to his squad selections.
I’m with you. Easy now without RWC squad limits, which steer things towards 5 props and hence one who can cover both sides.
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There could be as many as 10 additional players added to the AB squad now if they have to remain in Aust in an isolation bubble. Pick a name out of the hat time.
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
There could be as many as 10 additional players added to the AB squad now if they have to remain in Aust in an isolation bubble. Pick a name out of the hat time.
Akira will still miss the cut.
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Nice one, Labour. An AB squad - extended at that - having to go to Australia for several weeks really fucks the NPC.
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Nice one, Labour. An AB squad - extended at that - having to go to Australia for several weeks really fucks the NPC.
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Nice one, Labour. An AB squad - extended at that - having to go to Australia for several weeks really fucks the NPC.
How dare they follow Ministry of Health guidelines and not think of long suffering Rugby fans
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@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Nice one, Labour. An AB squad - extended at that - having to go to Australia for several weeks really fucks the NPC.
How dare they follow Ministry of Health guidelines and not think of long suffering Rugby fans
@MN5 tbf I think people have lost a bit of faith in those guys...
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@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
It's the governments decision, ultimately. Doesn't matter a shit how much advice they take or from where. Actually, it does. When the only advice you seriously consider represents only one facet in a decision making process, it matters many shits.
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@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Nice one, Labour. An AB squad - extended at that - having to go to Australia for several weeks really fucks the NPC.
How dare they follow Ministry of Health guidelines and not think of long suffering Rugby fans
@MN5 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Nice one, Labour. An AB squad - extended at that - having to go to Australia for several weeks really fucks the NPC.
How dare they follow Ministry of Health guidelines and not think of long suffering Rugby fans
Or the economy as well, perhaps??
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@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
One would hope that the relevant Minister applied some common sense analysis to their advice. Namely why can't people who travel together, live together and eat together, train together?
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@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
One would hope that the relevant Minister applied some common sense analysis to their advice. Namely why can't people who travel together, live together and eat together, train together?
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
One would hope that the relevant Minister applied some common sense analysis to their advice. Namely why can't people who travel together, live together and eat together, train together?
That was covered, because they won't live together. The bubble numbers are hard, so they increased the bubble size slowly. That's our cautious approach. If one player in SA or Arg squad has covid, that's the end for that team the Ozzie way. NZ are also thinking about the players health, chucking them all together from many places with covid is a risk that many will get it. So you can disagree with the risk, but it is common sense, just different than what you perceive
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@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
It's the governments decision, ultimately. Doesn't matter a shit how much advice they take or from where. Actually, it does. When the only advice you seriously consider represents only one facet in a decision making process, it matters many shits.
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
It's the governments decision, ultimately. Doesn't matter a shit how much advice they take or from where. Actually, it does. When the only advice you seriously consider represents only one facet in a decision making process, it matters many shits.
Yeah, and that one “facet” being the relevant Subject-Matter-Expert. And, probably, consultation with indirectly-involved SMEs. Shit.
How dare they not consider consulting InfoWars and random reddit threads? -
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
One would hope that the relevant Minister applied some common sense analysis to their advice. Namely why can't people who travel together, live together and eat together, train together?
That was covered, because they won't live together. The bubble numbers are hard, so they increased the bubble size slowly. That's our cautious approach. If one player in SA or Arg squad has covid, that's the end for that team the Ozzie way. NZ are also thinking about the players health, chucking them all together from many places with covid is a risk that many will get it. So you can disagree with the risk, but it is common sense, just different than what you perceive
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark you realise, of course, that the govt follow the advice of the health service, not the other way around. Unlike some countries,
One would hope that the relevant Minister applied some common sense analysis to their advice. Namely why can't people who travel together, live together and eat together, train together?
That was covered, because they won't live together. The bubble numbers are hard, so they increased the bubble size slowly. That's our cautious approach. If one player in SA or Arg squad has covid, that's the end for that team the Ozzie way. NZ are also thinking about the players health, chucking them all together from many places with covid is a risk that many will get it.
You're not putting different teams in the same environment. You have them enter their own bubble before leaving, tested before leaving and on arrival. Then for the entirety of the competition each team lives in their own bubble.
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Newshub are saying that the AB squad will be expanded to 46 players, so another 11 players to be added. That is assuming none of the current squad don't pull out for personal reasons.
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Newshub are saying that the AB squad will be expanded to 46 players, so another 11 players to be added. That is assuming none of the current squad don't pull out for personal reasons.
That'll be a fun exercise.
Don't have time to think right now.
Will have to look at the make up of positions may be added or who may have been unlucky.
Perhaps they'll add an extra 10. Trask?
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@MN5 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Nice one, Labour. An AB squad - extended at that - having to go to Australia for several weeks really fucks the NPC.
How dare they follow Ministry of Health guidelines and not think of long suffering Rugby fans
Or the economy as well, perhaps??
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@MN5 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Nice one, Labour. An AB squad - extended at that - having to go to Australia for several weeks really fucks the NPC.
How dare they follow Ministry of Health guidelines and not think of long suffering Rugby fans
Or the economy as well, perhaps??
I bet you’re one of those non mask wearing types
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Newshub are saying that the AB squad will be expanded to 46 players, so another 11 players to be added. That is assuming none of the current squad don't pull out for personal reasons.
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Newshub are saying that the AB squad will be expanded to 46 players, so another 11 players to be added. That is assuming none of the current squad don't pull out for personal reasons.
So 2 x 23s? Hey North v South did come in handy after all
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Guys who might come into the squad:
Props: Ta'avao, Bower
Hooker: Dixon, Coltman
Locks: Scott Barrett (should be fit by then)
Back row: Tom Christie, Boshier, Jacobson.
Half Backs: Mitchell Drummond, Bryn Hall
First Fives: Josh Ioane, Otere Black
Midfield: Ngani Laumape
Back Three: Mark Telea.
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@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@MN5 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm almost thankful that we have no games this year, or at most, a couple against the Aussies. Because this team is pretty uninspiring to me. Not for a lack of talent, but for how "messy" it feels. So few guys picking themselves as automatic selections, too many being touted to play out of position, and a new captain that is injury prone and probably not world class even at full fitness.
How can we have gone through another season and still have no idea what our midfield should look like? How is it that we have no natural 12's any more? We are touting Jordie Barret or Ennor (pre-injury) as great options, WTF?
We are still debating who to play at 10, who our best wings are, who to play at 15. We have no standout at 6, even 8 (maybe Sotutu), and arguably our best 7 will need to come off the bench.
And what we absolutely don't have is an cohesiveness in the combinations across the park. Tight 5? Nah. Loosie combination? No. Number 8/9 combo? Nope. Midfield? Maybe of they go back to ALB/Goodhue, but people seem to think this is unlikely. Back 3? Nuh uh.
I could see this team getting toasted by SA if we played them tomorrow.
You said it Homer.
I don't share the negativity.
I'm also trying to ignore the Cane trolling.
Trolling? Why do say that? Is any criticism of him disallowed?
I like Cane, I was amongst those calling for Hansons immediate sacking when he was omitted from the SF team. He hits like a rock, and in that backdrop in particular, he was absolutely necessary.
But in a balanced back row, with a traditional big 6 and a more powerful 8 (say Frizell and Sotutu), I don't think Cane is a world class 7 and I'd rather see Ardie in there.
Hardly trolling
Of course it's trolling. What did Ardie do as an openside in the NvS game apart from watch a number 8 go flying by at a scrum?
Ummmmmm - you accuse me of trolling, I give you a few valid reasons for my opinion, and you come back with a single incident in a single game as some sort of evidence that I am trolling???
That you think they're valid doesn't make them so. I simply can't take anyone seriously who posits that Cane isn't a world class openside flanker.
Well not too many world class guys get left out of their national side for a RWC SF do they? Seriously, where would you rank him internationally as a 7? World class to me means you're one of the first guys to be picked in your national team. Guess we just have different measures of greatness.
Cane being left out of the RWC SF was an absolutely ridiculous decision. It was literally leaving a world class player out of the starting lineup for the most important game. I still shake my head in disbelief at that.
@No-Quarter said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Cane being left out of the RWC SF was an absolutely ridiculous decision. It was literally leaving a world class player out of the starting lineup for the most important game. I still shake my head in disbelief at that.
Hansen's selection was to disrupt the England lineout.
That went well.
