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Just regarding a republic, I don't know the cost for NZ, but for Aus I believe the minimum would be 1 billion dollars. That doesn't include the cost of a referendum which would also be hundreds of millions. That's a shit load of cash for something that really would make very little difference to the country. There are those who seem to be forever stressing about how we are perceived by foreigners. News flash, foreigners couldn't give a shit.
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<p>I completely and utterly disagree with his assertion that we might look at it again in 10 or 20 years. If it fails this time, no politician will have the fortitude to look at for a VERY long time.</p>
<p>It is incredibly delusional to think otherwise. </p>
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<p>Agree, wholeheartedly, it would surely be career suicide to touch it again unless we become a Republic. </p>
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<p>Been out and about the past 3 days with TR Jnrs school doing things all about, and I am genuinely surprised with the number of flags have have seen where I have never done before, and once I started taking note I started making a mental note when I saw the current and then the proposed one, and I reckon it was about even.</p>
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<p>Took this pic out at the beach we went surfing at today, and as I said earlier in the thread, I think the new flag is much more appealing blowing in the wind than it is as a 'graphic' </p>
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<p>I've been called worse unless you meant one of the sad muppets like Sam the eagle or Beaker,<br><br>
Booboo, you didn't have to rub it in by liking it.</p>
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<p>Just regarding a republic, I don't know the cost for NZ, but for Aus I believe the minimum would be 1 billion dollars. That doesn't include the cost of a referendum which would also be hundreds of millions. <strong>That's a shit load of cash for something that really would make very little difference to the country.</strong> There are those who seem to be forever stressing about how we are perceived by foreigners. News flash, foreigners couldn't give a shit.</p>
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<p>How many in this thread have bought an engagement ring or had a wedding?</p> -
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<p>Two likes now, I'm getting in on this action!</p>
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<p>How many in this thread have bought an engagement ring or had a wedding?</p>
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<p>Actually I think we will.<br><br>
I think this process has shown there is an appetite for change.<br><br>
It's missed it's chance because the proponents gave too much credit to their personal enemies thinking the argument would be about the issue at hand.<br><br>
So unfortunately it's become a series of side issues that has derailed the process.<br><br>
Rather than a strict "I want change v I want same", and "I like new flag v I don't like new flag" decision it's become "I don't like John Key", "It costs too much think of the children", "I didn't get what I wanted", "vexology", "tea towel", "marketers with money", "I don't like the All Blacks so get the fern off there" weirdness and bullshit.<br><br><strong>Given a couple of years I think there may be another crack at it.</strong><br><br>
Hopefully NZ as a society may have matured a bit by then.<br><br>
BTW for those lucky enough to vote: vite for the new one :)</p>
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<p>I don't think so. Who would drive this? National - no. Labour/Greens - unlikely to be in power, would look very hypocritical, National supporters would give L/G the treatment their supporters have given National on this. NZ First...</p>
<p>A citizens initiated process - don't think so.</p>
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<p>And people don't seem to realise that many of the objections raised this time will be the same next time</p>
<p>1) No-one has said how you can do a flag referendum cheaper - although I'm sure it can be. I can guarantee there will always be child poverty in NZ, that is for sure.</p>
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<p>2) What is one man's Picasso Masterpiece is another man's horrible piece of design. You choose another design and you'll just modify the groups in the for and against camp. You'll still need 50%, which means you'll still need a fairly mainstream design...probably incorporating a fern. In other words a better version of a Lockwood design. Do we really think politicians are going to give people another vote in 2 years on a similar flag?</p>
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<p>3) How do you get the balance right between having the right people design the flag...and the people not feeling the options have been imposed on them?</p>
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<p>etc etc.</p>
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<p>Make that three - Could see a record here ;)</p>
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<p>How many in this thread have bought an engagement ring or had a wedding?</p>
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<p>No engagement ring, the wedding was $1000 all up including the wedding rings and reception..</p>
