Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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I'm going with:
Moody, Taylor, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Frizell, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Clarke, ALB, R Ioane, J Barrett, B Barrett
Subs: Coles, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, Goodhue, Jordan
I know that backline bench isn't exactly punchy, but I feel BB is just too good to leave off for 40mins. And he is well capable of playing 80 and still sparking something in the 75th. Likewise Ioane deserves to start, though I feel for Jack G having played out of position all year.
This looks like a big, strong team, capable of breaching the line in attack and knocking people over in defence. Jordie deserves a start with the point of difference his height and kicking provides.
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Sparky's Team
Moody, Taylor, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Frizell, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Clarke, ALB, R Ioane, Jordan, J Barrett.
Subs: Aumua, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, B.Barrett, Goodhue
@sparky said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Sparky's Team
Moody, Taylor, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Frizell, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Clarke, ALB, R Ioane, Jordan, J Barrett.
Subs: Aumua, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, B.Barrett, Goodhue
I like your forwards.
But not so much your backs.
Having said that I'm still not 100% on how I would mix by back division.
BB would start, somewhere. Probably 10.
ALB at 12 and Goodhue at 13 in his specialist position
Reiko on one wing.
Jordy 15.
Leaves one spot at 14. So start Clarke and Reiko o n the wings and work out who is best on the right.
TJP, Mo'unga and AN Other on the bench. Maybe DMac. All positions covered.
My other option that I'd be OK with is RM at 10, BB at 15, JB at 14, Roane at 11. Bench TBC.
Am ok with Roane at 13 but do not want to see JG at 12.
Most underwhelming wing selection would be Bridge and Reece.
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@voodoo Really like that team. Only question mark I have is Jordie on the wing. Is he fast enough to be on the wing? Not sure. Would probably stick with Reece for the first couple of tests and then give Jordan a go in some of the RC tests.
@akan004 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@voodoo Really like that team. Only question mark I have is Jordie on the wing. Is he fast enough to be on the wing? Not sure. Would probably stick with Reece for the first couple of tests and then give Jordan a go in some of the RC tests.
Yeah that's fair. Trade off between the height and size he offers and the express pace he lacks. Guess you could also have him interchange with his bro throughout too
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@voodoo Really like that team. Only question mark I have is Jordie on the wing. Is he fast enough to be on the wing? Not sure. Would probably stick with Reece for the first couple of tests and then give Jordan a go in some of the RC tests.
Yeah that's fair. Trade off between the height and size he offers and the express pace he lacks. Guess you could also have him interchange with his bro throughout too
@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@akan004 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@voodoo Really like that team. Only question mark I have is Jordie on the wing. Is he fast enough to be on the wing? Not sure. Would probably stick with Reece for the first couple of tests and then give Jordan a go in some of the RC tests.
Yeah that's fair. Trade off between the height and size he offers and the express pace he lacks. Guess you could also have him interchange with his bro throughout too
If JB is on the wing he is rather too close to the prospect of quick defensive throw-ins for my liking.
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Please remember to title your 23s with what I would pick vs what I think will be picked, then we can argue about it accurately!
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Please remember to title your 23s with what I would pick vs what I think will be picked, then we can argue about it accurately!
I have no idea what (I think) they will pick.
Hell, you can see I have no idea what I would pick ...
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@sparky said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Sparky's Team
Moody, Taylor, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Frizell, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Clarke, ALB, R Ioane, Jordan, J Barrett.
Subs: Aumua, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, B.Barrett, Goodhue
I like your forwards.
But not so much your backs.
Having said that I'm still not 100% on how I would mix by back division.
BB would start, somewhere. Probably 10.
ALB at 12 and Goodhue at 13 in his specialist position
Reiko on one wing.
Jordy 15.
Leaves one spot at 14. So start Clarke and Reiko o n the wings and work out who is best on the right.
TJP, Mo'unga and AN Other on the bench. Maybe DMac. All positions covered.
My other option that I'd be OK with is RM at 10, BB at 15, JB at 14, Roane at 11. Bench TBC.
Am ok with Roane at 13 but do not want to see JG at 12.
Most underwhelming wing selection would be Bridge and Reece.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@sparky I see little value in Goodhue off the bench he starts or isnt in the 23 IMO.
Quite like @sparky s team. I would probably have come up with the same.
With RIoane starting and BB on bench, the back three are well covered. Goodhue can either come in if Ioane has to move or if either of the starting midfielders is having an off day.
We need midfield cover on the bench. Not an area we can cover with an allrounder.Maybe ALB could go bench, mainly due to Rennie knowing his game so well.
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
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@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them. -
Biggest problem for me is that unless we start Cane and Savea, a combination I don't care for at all, we will have inexperienced players at six and eight.
Nightmare scenario is a starting lock forced off early with injury.
@Tim said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Biggest problem for me is that unless we start Cane and Savea, a combination I don't care for at all, we will have inexperienced players at six and eight.
Nightmare scenario is a starting lock forced off early with injury.
Frizell isn't a debutant. 9 tests over two years is OKish.
Cane, Frizell, Sotutu would be my preferred.
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@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them. -
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.I'd be picking him there because it would be the best team. But I'd prefer JG/Roane over Roane and any other wing.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.I'm sure he's had no guarantees at centre, I'd rather have the most firepower on the field, Roane on the wing does that IMHO.
My team, since we're selecting our preferred teams:
Moody, Coles, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Aoane, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Roane, ALB, Goodhue, Clarke, B Barrett.
Subs: Taylor, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, Jordan, J Barrett.
Still can't bring myself to pick the Tongan from the Invitational Chequebook XV over a NZer.
Two outside backs reserves looks a bit weird, but Roane covers the midfield (and JB can too which will have his fluffers reaching for the lube and tissues) and BB covers 10.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
so imagine being Goodhue too then, as a 12 or 13? How is it any different?
The nature of professional sport, someone will miss out
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.I'm sure he's had no guarantees at centre, I'd rather have the most firepower on the field, Roane on the wing does that IMHO.
My team, since we're selecting our preferred teams:
Moody, Coles, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Aoane, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Roane, ALB, Goodhue, Clarke, B Barrett.
Subs: Taylor, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, Jordan, J Barrett.
Still can't bring myself to pick the Tongan from the Invitational Chequebook XV over a NZer.
Two outside backs reserves looks a bit weird, but Roane covers the midfield (and JB can too which will have his fluffers reaching for the lube and tissues) and BB covers 10.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.I'm sure he's had no guarantees at centre, I'd rather have the most firepower on the field, Roane on the wing does that IMHO.
My team, since we're selecting our preferred teams:
Moody, Coles, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Aoane, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Roane, ALB, Goodhue, Clarke, B Barrett.
Subs: Taylor, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, Jordan, J Barrett.
Still can't bring myself to pick the Tongan from the Invitational Chequebook XV over a NZer.
Two outside backs reserves looks a bit weird, but Roane covers the midfield (and JB can too which will have his fluffers reaching for the lube and tissues) and BB covers 10.
Upvote
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
so imagine being Goodhue too then, as a 12 or 13? How is it any different?
The nature of professional sport, someone will miss out
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
so imagine being Goodhue too then, as a 12 or 13? How is it any different?
The nature of professional sport, someone will miss out
Not talking about selected for team. I am referring to selection in position.
Goodhue knows that he is in a rotational midfield where both he and ALB cover both spots.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
so imagine being Goodhue too then, as a 12 or 13? How is it any different?
The nature of professional sport, someone will miss out
Not talking about selected for team. I am referring to selection in position.
Goodhue knows that he is in a rotational midfield where both he and ALB cover both spots.
@Crucial so did they not tell Ioane too then?
Has Goodhue played 12 for the ABs?
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.I'm sure he's had no guarantees at centre, I'd rather have the most firepower on the field, Roane on the wing does that IMHO.
My team, since we're selecting our preferred teams:
Moody, Coles, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Aoane, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Roane, ALB, Goodhue, Clarke, B Barrett.
Subs: Taylor, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, Jordan, J Barrett.
Still can't bring myself to pick the Tongan from the Invitational Chequebook XV over a NZer.
Two outside backs reserves looks a bit weird, but Roane covers the midfield (and JB can too which will have his fluffers reaching for the lube and tissues) and BB covers 10.
Upvote
@booboo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.I'm sure he's had no guarantees at centre, I'd rather have the most firepower on the field, Roane on the wing does that IMHO.
My team, since we're selecting our preferred teams:
Moody, Coles, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Aoane, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Roane, ALB, Goodhue, Clarke, B Barrett.
Subs: Taylor, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, Jordan, J Barrett.
Still can't bring myself to pick the Tongan from the Invitational Chequebook XV over a NZer.
Two outside backs reserves looks a bit weird, but Roane covers the midfield (and JB can too which will have his fluffers reaching for the lube and tissues) and BB covers 10.
Upvote
Cullen, Wilson, Lomu, Umaga....all that firepower.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.I'm sure he's had no guarantees at centre, I'd rather have the most firepower on the field, Roane on the wing does that IMHO.
My team, since we're selecting our preferred teams:
Moody, Coles, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Aoane, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Roane, ALB, Goodhue, Clarke, B Barrett.
Subs: Taylor, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, Jordan, J Barrett.
Still can't bring myself to pick the Tongan from the Invitational Chequebook XV over a NZer.
Two outside backs reserves looks a bit weird, but Roane covers the midfield (and JB can too which will have his fluffers reaching for the lube and tissues) and BB covers 10.
Upvote
Cullen, Wilson, Lomu, Umaga....all that firepower.
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@booboo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial id be more inclined to start Goodhue with Ioane on the wing, moving in later when you bring on Clarke
Backward move in Roane's development. Sure he can cover the wing but I think that they have to fully invest in him at 13.
Imagine what his mind will go through after putting in all this effort and performance at 13, getting selected because of it and then not being trusted.
Also the guys in the squad selected as wings will be confused why a centre was picked ahead of them.I'm sure he's had no guarantees at centre, I'd rather have the most firepower on the field, Roane on the wing does that IMHO.
My team, since we're selecting our preferred teams:
Moody, Coles, Laulala, S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Aoane, Cane, Sotutu, A Smith, Mo'unga, Roane, ALB, Goodhue, Clarke, B Barrett.
Subs: Taylor, Karl T, Ofa T, Vaa'i, A Savea, TJP, Jordan, J Barrett.
Still can't bring myself to pick the Tongan from the Invitational Chequebook XV over a NZer.
Two outside backs reserves looks a bit weird, but Roane covers the midfield (and JB can too which will have his fluffers reaching for the lube and tissues) and BB covers 10.
Upvote
Cullen, Wilson, Lomu, Umaga....all that firepower.
We're not suggesting playing BB at centre.
