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The Cane vs Savea Debate

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  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

    @pukunui they seemed pretty keen to pick squire again and again and again regardless of performance...

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    @KiwiMurph

    It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

    With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

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    • pukunuiP pukunui

      @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

      If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
      Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

      That might have been handy.

      Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

      If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

      Not another thread hi-jacked...

      Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

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      #170

      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

      @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

      If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
      Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

      That might have been handy.

      Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

      If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

      Not another thread hi-jacked...

      Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

      Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

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      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

        If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
        Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

        That might have been handy.

        Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

        If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

        Not another thread hi-jacked...

        Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

        Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

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        #171

        @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

        @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

        If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
        Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

        That might have been handy.

        Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

        If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

        Not another thread hi-jacked...

        Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

        Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

        McDonald picked Sotutu over him as well....

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        • canefanC canefan

          @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

          If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
          Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

          That might have been handy.

          Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

          If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

          Not another thread hi-jacked...

          Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

          I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

          Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

          McDonald picked Sotutu over him as well....

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          #172

          @canefan said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

          @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

          If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
          Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

          That might have been handy.

          Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

          If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

          Not another thread hi-jacked...

          Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

          I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

          Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

          McDonald picked Sotutu over him as well....

          Because Sotutu is a no8 and Akira is a blindside?

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          • gt12G gt12

            @KiwiMurph

            It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

            With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

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            @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

            @KiwiMurph

            It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

            With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

            Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

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            • MN5M MN5

              @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

              @KiwiMurph

              It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

              With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

              Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

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              @MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

              @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

              @KiwiMurph

              It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

              With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

              Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

              I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?

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              • BonesB Bones

                @MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                @KiwiMurph

                It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

                With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

                Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

                I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?

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                @Bones said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                @MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                @KiwiMurph

                It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

                With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

                Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

                I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?

                @MN5 is trying to phlex his comic talent.

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                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                  @Bones said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                  @MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                  @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                  @KiwiMurph

                  It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

                  With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

                  Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

                  I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?

                  @MN5 is trying to phlex his comic talent.

                  MN5M Online
                  MN5M Online
                  MN5
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                  #176

                  @Bovidae said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                  @Bones said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                  @MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                  @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                  @KiwiMurph

                  It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

                  With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

                  Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

                  I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?

                  @MN5 is trying to phlex his comic talent.

                  Fuck that is well done 🙂

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                  • BonesB Bones

                    @MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                    @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                    @KiwiMurph

                    It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

                    With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

                    Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

                    I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?

                    MN5M Online
                    MN5M Online
                    MN5
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                    #177

                    @Bones said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                    @MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                    @gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                    @KiwiMurph

                    It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.

                    With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.

                    Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating

                    I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?

                    Ordinarily this would sum up the vast majority of my posts, but to clarify....

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                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                      @canefan said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

                      If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
                      Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

                      That might have been handy.

                      Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

                      If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

                      Not another thread hi-jacked...

                      Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

                      I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

                      Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

                      McDonald picked Sotutu over him as well....

                      Because Sotutu is a no8 and Akira is a blindside?

                      sharkS Offline
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                      #178

                      @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @canefan said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                      @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

                      If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
                      Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

                      That might have been handy.

                      Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

                      If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

                      Not another thread hi-jacked...

                      Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

                      I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

                      Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

                      McDonald picked Sotutu over him as well....

                      Because Sotutu is a no8 and Akira is a blindside?

                      Hasn't Akira been an 8 since he started with Auckland and the Blues? He's only played 6 this season, because he can't get a game ahead of Sotutu.

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                      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

                        If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
                        Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

                        That might have been handy.

                        Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

                        If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

                        Not another thread hi-jacked...

                        Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

                        I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

                        Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

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                        #179

                        @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                        @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

                        If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
                        Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

                        That might have been handy.

                        Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

                        If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

                        Not another thread hi-jacked...

                        Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

                        I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

                        Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

                        Huh? Akira has been an automatic starting pick for the Blues at 8 up until Sotutu's arrival this year ... it has been mentioned many times that the Blues coaches probably played him too much.

                        I'd probably have had mental health issues in 2018 if I was him in the form he was in and saw Luke Whitelock and Evans getting test starts and I wasn't.

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                        • NepiaN Nepia

                          @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

                          If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
                          Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

                          That might have been handy.

                          Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

                          If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

                          Not another thread hi-jacked...

                          Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

                          I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

                          Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

                          Huh? Akira has been an automatic starting pick for the Blues at 8 up until Sotutu's arrival this year ... it has been mentioned many times that the Blues coaches probably played him too much.

                          I'd probably have had mental health issues in 2018 if I was him in the form he was in and saw Luke Whitelock and Evans getting test starts and I wasn't.

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                          @Nepia said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                          I'd probably have had mental health issues in 2018 if I was him in the form he was in and saw Luke Whitelock and Evans getting test starts and I wasn't.

                          that's All Black Captain Luke Whitelock

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                            @Nepia said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                            I'd probably have had mental health issues in 2018 if I was him in the form he was in and saw Luke Whitelock and Evans getting test starts and I wasn't.

                            that's All Black Captain Luke Whitelock

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                            @nzzp said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                            @Nepia said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                            I'd probably have had mental health issues in 2018 if I was him in the form he was in and saw Luke Whitelock and Evans getting test starts and I wasn't.

                            that's All Black Captain Luke Whitelock

                            He was better than Sam Broomhall or Steven Bates at least.

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                              @nzzp said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                              @Nepia said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                              I'd probably have had mental health issues in 2018 if I was him in the form he was in and saw Luke Whitelock and Evans getting test starts and I wasn't.

                              that's All Black Captain Luke Whitelock

                              He was better than Sam Broomhall or Steven Bates at least.

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                              @MN5 shudder

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                                @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                @DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                @ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                @pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                @shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                @gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.

                                If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
                                Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.

                                That might have been handy.

                                Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.

                                If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.

                                Not another thread hi-jacked...

                                Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?

                                I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.

                                Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.

                                Huh? Akira has been an automatic starting pick for the Blues at 8 up until Sotutu's arrival this year ... it has been mentioned many times that the Blues coaches probably played him too much.

                                I'd probably have had mental health issues in 2018 if I was him in the form he was in and saw Luke Whitelock and Evans getting test starts and I wasn't.

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                                @Nepia Yup can't recall him missing a game in the previous 3 seasons until this season, Infact, he barely missed a minute he was relied on that much.

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                                  Shall we revisit this thread now? I'm expecting some fucking apologies.

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                                    Shall we revisit this thread now? I'm expecting some fucking apologies.

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                                    @antipodean I'm expecting a massive strop about Scott Robinson not being coach.

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                                      Wish I could rub a certain posters nose in his opinion.

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                                        Shall we revisit this thread now? I'm expecting some fucking apologies.

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                                        @antipodean said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:

                                        Shall we revisit this thread now? I'm expecting some fucking apologies.

                                        Cane was the best seven and six out there today

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                                          Oh come on. You can't compare their games. Ardie was at 8.

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