Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Hooroo assume he is talking DMac?
Oh right. Did he have a bad game? I was pretty trashed and remember commenting that he was involved twice in the lead up to one of our tries but I don't remember cursing him
@Hooroo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Hooroo assume he is talking DMac?
Oh right. Did he have a bad game? I was pretty trashed and remember commenting that he was involved twice in the lead up to one of our tries but I don't remember cursing him
that was his best moment in the game. the rest was pretty average. he wasn't alone though.
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@Hooroo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Hooroo assume he is talking DMac?
Oh right. Did he have a bad game? I was pretty trashed and remember commenting that he was involved twice in the lead up to one of our tries but I don't remember cursing him
that was his best moment in the game. the rest was pretty average. he wasn't alone though.
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Hooroo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Hooroo assume he is talking DMac?
Oh right. Did he have a bad game? I was pretty trashed and remember commenting that he was involved twice in the lead up to one of our tries but I don't remember cursing him
that was his best moment in the game. the rest was pretty average. he wasn't alone though.
turnover on our tryline was pretty good I thought
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@Rapido said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
TBH, I'm a bit sick of this living on 30 odd % possession malarkey.
Agreed - I want to see an All Black team squeeze the life out of the opposition. Brutally too.
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@Rapido said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
TBH, I'm a bit sick of this living on 30 odd % possession malarkey.
Agreed - I want to see an All Black team squeeze the life out of the opposition. Brutally too.
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Rapido said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
TBH, I'm a bit sick of this living on 30 odd % possession malarkey.
Agreed - I want to see an All Black team squeeze the life out of the opposition. Brutally too.
Same, I thought we were moving that way in 2017 and 2018ish (I think). Had some really dominant forwards displays.
Then by 2019 - we'd moved back to the passive 'we'll live on your scraps and leave our destiny in your hands coz we don't really rate you but we'll score some cool tries on a good day' strategy.
You'd think we were selecting from a pool of tiny Japanese forwards, although the Japanese respect posession way more than us.
Or the opposition got better.
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good points, alsom you'd think we'd kick for territory more, you can have the ball but only i your own 22...we seem to be happy for them to have the ball in our half
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@barbarian the ref didnt make any particularly egregious decisions either way, because he didn't make any decisions.
There were so many things he could've pulled up in that final 8 minutes (from both sides) and he just let it all happen - which i suppose made it more entertaining, but certainly not something for the purists.
@Derpus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@barbarian the ref didnt make any particularly egregious decisions either way, because he didn't make any decisions.
There were so many things he could've pulled up in that final 8 minutes (from both sides) and he just let it all happen - which i suppose made it more entertaining, but certainly not something for the purists.
My guess is that he wanted to stay out of it, given that he's not exactly objective. I think that all in all, it was a reasonable approach, even though some things were missed (Va'ii turnover in the last few minutes probably one of them).
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
No - if there are 2 draws and 2 Wallaby wins, it is ours, 2-nil.
The Bled is three games. I'm unsure if it is determined by points difference in the event of a draw and a win apiece or if the holder keeps it.
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
No - if there are 2 draws and 2 Wallaby wins, it is ours, 2-nil.
The Bled is three games. I'm unsure if it is determined by points difference in the event of a draw and a win apiece or if the holder keeps it.
Sorry may be dumb question but are not all RC games part of the BC series?
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
That's what I thought
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
No - if there are 2 draws and 2 Wallaby wins, it is ours, 2-nil.
The Bled is three games. I'm unsure if it is determined by points difference in the event of a draw and a win apiece or if the holder keeps it.
Sorry may be dumb question but are not all RC games part of the BC series?
@booboo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
No - if there are 2 draws and 2 Wallaby wins, it is ours, 2-nil.
The Bled is three games. I'm unsure if it is determined by points difference in the event of a draw and a win apiece or if the holder keeps it.
Sorry may be dumb question but are not all RC games part of the BC series?
Apparently they are this year, but normally there's only an extra Bledisloe fixture outside of the Rugby Championship.
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Yeah now both Oz and NZ need two wins out of the next three to take the Bled. Another draw and a win apiece means we keep it.
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Yeah now both Oz and NZ need two wins out of the next three to take the Bled. Another draw and a win apiece means we keep it.
Adds a bit of spice and interest to it.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Number-10 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Congratulations Fozzie. You did something Henry or Hansen didn’t achieve and that is lose the first Bledisloe match against a new Wallabies coach.
Slow starters, new combos, inexperienced backline, silver linings, hope, the draw we needed to have
No - Robbie Deans won his first Bledisloe Cup match in 2008: 34-19 in Sydney.
Wasn’t that Deans first test against the ABs, and OZ won?
Yep it was.
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Number-10 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Congratulations Fozzie. You did something Henry or Hansen didn’t achieve and that is lose the first Bledisloe match against a new Wallabies coach.
Slow starters, new combos, inexperienced backline, silver linings, hope, the draw we needed to have
No - Robbie Deans won his first Bledisloe Cup match in 2008: 34-19 in Sydney.
Wasn’t that Deans first test against the ABs, and OZ won?
Yep it was.
Did you go to that test? I was in Sydney in the week leading up to it and was set to fly back to Melbourne on the Friday but ended having to stay for a few days extra. I didn’t want to go to the test so bunkered in at the hotel and watched nervously.
Some saying we got monstered on Sunday by the Wallabies and lacked mongrel, but on that Sydney night we were monstered. They targeted Nonu and he was knocked on his backside time after time.
Also some selections that raised some eyebrows - Tuitavake on the right wing. Rodders started as blindside. Kaino starting at 8. Conrad on the bench. Ellis starting
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Number-10 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Congratulations Fozzie. You did something Henry or Hansen didn’t achieve and that is lose the first Bledisloe match against a new Wallabies coach.
Slow starters, new combos, inexperienced backline, silver linings, hope, the draw we needed to have
No - Robbie Deans won his first Bledisloe Cup match in 2008: 34-19 in Sydney.
Wasn’t that Deans first test against the ABs, and OZ won?
Yep it was.
Did you go to that test? I was in Sydney in the week leading up to it and was set to fly back to Melbourne on the Friday but ended having to stay for a few days extra. I didn’t want to go to the test so bunkered in at the hotel and watched nervously.
Some saying we got monstered on Sunday by the Wallabies and lacked mongrel, but on that Sydney night we were monstered. They targeted Nonu and he was knocked on his backside time after time.
Also some selections that raised some eyebrows - Tuitavake on the right wing. Rodders started as blindside. Kaino starting at 8. Conrad on the bench. Ellis starting
@ACT-Crusader Yep I was there. I was behind the posts.
That was a mess of a team - Daniel Braid starting at 7 with McCaw out injured and Braid had one of his anonymous games. Ellis had a shocker and it was clear as day Cowan had to start the next week.
Funnily I remember marvelling at how good Carter was that day - in a team getting smashed he was terrific - the ABs were actually in the match on the scoreboard until late where the Wallabies finally ran away with it but it was Carter keeping them in the game - without him the ABs would have got pumped on the scoreboard.
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Joe Moody, Sam Cane and Aaron Smith were World Class. The rest of that starting team not so much on today's evidence.
Sotutu, Clarke and Jordan must all start next week. Dane Coles, TJP and George Bridge are injury cover now & past their best. Goodhue is a 13 not a 12.
@sparky said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Joe Moody, Sam Cane and Aaron Smith were World Class. The rest of that starting team not so much on today's evidence.
Sotutu, Clarke and Jordan must all start next week. Dane Coles, TJP and George Bridge are injury cover now & past their best. Goodhue is a 13 not a 12.
Mostly agree but I want Reiko on the field on the wing.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
We don't just try different combinations
many years ago we did have 20+ test matches in a row when we didnt have the same pair start before Nonu-Conrad became a fixture...
Maybe Ioane/Clarke can start on either wing, JB to FB and ALB-Goodhue in the mid-field
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
We don't just try different combinations
many years ago we did have 20+ test matches in a row when we didnt have the same pair start before Nonu-Conrad became a fixture...
Maybe Ioane/Clarke can start on either wing, JB to FB and ALB-Goodhue in the mid-field
This, goddammit this!
Fizzle are you reading!
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@ACT-Crusader Yep I was there. I was behind the posts.
That was a mess of a team - Daniel Braid starting at 7 with McCaw out injured and Braid had one of his anonymous games. Ellis had a shocker and it was clear as day Cowan had to start the next week.
Funnily I remember marvelling at how good Carter was that day - in a team getting smashed he was terrific - the ABs were actually in the match on the scoreboard until late where the Wallabies finally ran away with it but it was Carter keeping them in the game - without him the ABs would have got pumped on the scoreboard.
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
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I attended at the stadium, had a seat almost behind the posts.
Interesting that from that angle and distance cannot observe any of the critisims of e.g. Mo'ouga and Savea etc that seem common. TBH, caketin is pretty crap.
My observations from end on. Early on in game - I thought Ioane bombed a certain 80 m try by going himself and not setting up Jordie (although doubts about Jordie's top end speed to go that distance). I was out of my seat, I was that certain the try was on.
I'd also think up-and-unders would be good options in swirling wind, and we tried a couple early both from 10 and box kick. But my end-on observation - my god the modern defence is so expert at blocking and shepherding chasers that it is no longer a good percentage option. Which is a shame as it adds variety to the sport. When that first up-an-under went up I got very excited but deflated when seeing how little pressure the chasers can put on.
I thought the NZ back 3 kick catching of the deep kicks in the swirling wind was excellent (apart from that god damn dropout).
@Rapido said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
My observations from end on. Early on in game - I thought Ioane bombed a certain 80 m try by going himself and not setting up Jordie
That selfish play was as bad as the botched try. Not what you expect from a centre.
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@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
