The Cane vs Savea Debate
-
@junior said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@Bones Wait a minute, I've got it! I'll swing by in my time-travelling Delorean, pick you up, and take you to a function at Aikmans' Sports Bar on the 1st of this month so you can see! I should have thought of this earlier, what a dumb ass!!!
Sorry, you went to a function at a sports bar in Chch where they gave an actual presentation on Akira's stats?
I'm sorry, that sounds like absolute fucking garbage - what kind of functions are they running down there?
Why on Earth would I pretend this happened.
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@junior said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@Bones Wait a minute, I've got it! I'll swing by in my time-travelling Delorean, pick you up, and take you to a function at Aikmans' Sports Bar on the 1st of this month so you can see! I should have thought of this earlier, what a dumb ass!!!
Sorry, you went to a function at a sports bar in Chch where they gave an actual presentation on Akira's stats?
I'm sorry, that sounds like absolute fucking garbage - what kind of functions are they running down there?
Why on Earth would I pretend this happened.
I dunno, because you're a Cantab with an agenda?
-
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@junior said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@Bones Wait a minute, I've got it! I'll swing by in my time-travelling Delorean, pick you up, and take you to a function at Aikmans' Sports Bar on the 1st of this month so you can see! I should have thought of this earlier, what a dumb ass!!!
Sorry, you went to a function at a sports bar in Chch where they gave an actual presentation on Akira's stats?
I'm sorry, that sounds like absolute fucking garbage - what kind of functions are they running down there?
Why on Earth would I pretend this happened.
Why on earth don't you just say what the stats are? They're top secret sports bar facts given to you in secret by the CRFU?
@Bones said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@junior said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@Bones Wait a minute, I've got it! I'll swing by in my time-travelling Delorean, pick you up, and take you to a function at Aikmans' Sports Bar on the 1st of this month so you can see! I should have thought of this earlier, what a dumb ass!!!
Sorry, you went to a function at a sports bar in Chch where they gave an actual presentation on Akira's stats?
I'm sorry, that sounds like absolute fucking garbage - what kind of functions are they running down there?
Why on Earth would I pretend this happened.
Why on earth don't you just say what the stats are? They're top secret sports bar facts given to you in secret by the CRFU?
Exactly - if they were happy to discuss them in a sports bar in front a crowd of people they're clearly not fussed about any kind of confidentiality
-
A better thread would be who should be at 8. Ardie was pretty damn good yesterday.
-
A better thread would be who should be at 8. Ardie was pretty damn good yesterday.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
A better thread would be who should be at 8. Ardie was pretty damn good yesterday.
oooh yeah, but his height! Jokes aside, he looks fairly tall here - struck me from last week
-
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
A better thread would be who should be at 8. Ardie was pretty damn good yesterday.
oooh yeah, but his height! Jokes aside, he looks fairly tall here - struck me from last week
-
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
A better thread would be who should be at 8. Ardie was pretty damn good yesterday.
oooh yeah, but his height! Jokes aside, he looks fairly tall here - struck me from last week
-
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
A better thread would be who should be at 8. Ardie was pretty damn good yesterday.
oooh yeah, but his height! Jokes aside, he looks fairly tall here - struck me from last week
@nzzp said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
A better thread would be who should be at 8. Ardie was pretty damn good yesterday.
oooh yeah, but his height! Jokes aside, he looks fairly tall here - struck me from last week
He's clearly worked hard during kockdown and put on a few inches
-
@nzzp said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
A better thread would be who should be at 8. Ardie was pretty damn good yesterday.
oooh yeah, but his height! Jokes aside, he looks fairly tall here - struck me from last week
He's clearly worked hard during kockdown and put on a few inches
@voodoo said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
He's clearly worked hard during kockdown and put on a few inches
what did you do?
-
@voodoo said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
He's clearly worked hard during kockdown and put on a few inches
what did you do?
@nzzp said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@voodoo said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
He's clearly worked hard during kockdown and put on a few inches
what did you do?
Met a security guard during hotel isolation.
-
@voodoo said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
He's clearly worked hard during kockdown and put on a few inches
what did you do?
-
I kind of wonder how you could compare Cane and Savea directly since one is no longer subbing for the other. Perhaps the best test is to say who seems most vital/indispensable?
Currently that seems to be Cane, hard to see how Savea would be playing better than him at 7 for 80 minutes.
PS Savea had some great moments at 8 but I am still not convinced overall that he is the best international 8 in NZ but we are not really getting a chance to look at his replacement/sub/2nd in line... -
Sotutu has been the best 8 in NZ all year, and he's just a kid. Pick him.
Savea is a really good player, but quite an unusual one. A smallish guy pumping the legs and never giving up is awesome, but it isn't going to get you much traction in the early stages of a tight test with an organised defence, and we've seen that a few times now. You need a little momentum, or a little gap, or a tired defender who thinks you're already tackled to get the benefit of that - and that benefit is only going to increase when he is fresh against tiring defenders - which is part of why he's a great bench option. Same goes for his tackling. Certainly skilled enough to cover all 3 spots, and a great asset to the team.
I'd be picking a big guy - Frizz deserves his spot, and Ioane is an option too - and subbing them for Savea once they're poked. -
Savea has been playing the house down at 8 and is a big reason Cane has been able to play the way he has, and vise versa. They have complimented each other so well that it would be stupid to change just for the sake of it. Using the excuse that Savea is too small to be an International number 8 is completely bullshit. He's proven time and time again he's more than up to it, infact the make up of those loose forwards on Saturday was perfect IMO. Because of Frizzell and Cane's physicality, Savea was able to do what he does best and dominate with ball in hand. He's also made crucial plays on the other side of the ball aswell which have relieved the All Black's of huge pressure in those first two tests.
-
I kind of wonder how you could compare Cane and Savea directly since one is no longer subbing for the other. Perhaps the best test is to say who seems most vital/indispensable?
Currently that seems to be Cane, hard to see how Savea would be playing better than him at 7 for 80 minutes.
PS Savea had some great moments at 8 but I am still not convinced overall that he is the best international 8 in NZ but we are not really getting a chance to look at his replacement/sub/2nd in line...@nostrildamus said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
> I kind of wonder how you could compare Cane and Savea directly since one is no longer subbing for the other. Perhaps the best test is to say who seems most vital/indispensable?Currently that seems to be Cane, hard to see how Savea would be playing better than him at 7 for 80 minutes.
PS Savea had some great moments at 8 but I am still not convinced overall that he is the best international 8 in NZ but we are not really getting a chance to look at his replacement/sub/2nd in line...Get out of here with that sort of sensible logic!
-
@mariner4life said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
are the last 2 weekends Cane's best tests ever?
It certainly is in terms of a more complete game. He’s been in the ABs for almost 8 seasons, so his time is now to really elevate his game.
I do remember a game back in 2013 where he and Messam and Read were our starting loose trio and Cane showed us what could be possible.
On Ardie starting at no8, I wonder if he is part of the leadership team and he is going to be a key guy to help galvanise a few of our players. He’s made a few big plays for us in the first 2 tests so I think they will persist with it for at least the first Test in Oz.
-
I don't see Savea playing much at 7 again, certainly not for the Hurricanes. He wasn't that impressive in the North-South game in that position. In the ABs, Ardie is obviously the backup to Cane in the 23 but Frizell is the player who is subbed and Savea moves to 6. That tells us what the coaches think of him.
