Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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At the risk of sounding like a wannabe front rower again, how good was that passage of play where Tupou carried twice in the lead up then crashed over? Awesome work rate, thought it was really evident as to what we miss there.
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
At the risk of sounding like a wannabe front rower again, how good was that passage of play where Tupou carried twice in the lead up then crashed over? Awesome work rate, thought it was really evident as to what we miss there.
Am I being harsh if I say I thought Tupou should have released the ball earlier in his first charge? When he went to ground, I thought he had cost us the try as there were unmarked players outside him.
Having said that, full credit for bouncing back and correcting the mistake quickly.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
At the risk of sounding like a wannabe front rower again, how good was that passage of play where Tupou carried twice in the lead up then crashed over? Awesome work rate, thought it was really evident as to what we miss there.
Am I being harsh if I say I thought Tupou should have released the ball earlier in his first charge? When he went to ground, I thought he had cost us the try as there were unmarked players outside him.
Having said that, full credit for bouncing back and correcting the mistake quickly.
@PecoTrain entirely possible, I can't recall tbh. I just loved the effort and energy and desire to carry repeatedly.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
Caterpillar ruck is fine. The issue is allowing the halfback to keep his hands on the ball for so long and, even worse, allowing him to drag it along the ground while it is still technically "in"
@junior said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
Caterpillar ruck is fine. The issue is allowing the halfback to keep his hands on the ball for so long and, even worse, allowing him to drag it along the ground while it is still technically "in"
I remember Berry did say to White/McDermott that they needed to use their feet not hands on one occasion, but there was no consistency at all as most of the time he ignored it.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
Caterpillar ruck is fine. The issue is allowing the halfback to keep his hands on the ball for so long and, even worse, allowing him to drag it along the ground while it is still technically "in"
@junior said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
Caterpillar ruck is fine. The issue is allowing the halfback to keep his hands on the ball for so long and, even worse, allowing him to drag it along the ground while it is still technically "in"
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
What, even if you're playing it with your hands and then lifting it?
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
What, even if you're playing it with your hands and then lifting it?
Yep. It makes a more clear line about when its out. The issue with "hands on = out" i.e. the old interpretation becomes timing of the opposition coming around the ruck. Easier if "pigeon poo" rule is applied at every ruck for consistency.
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@junior said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
Caterpillar ruck is fine. The issue is allowing the halfback to keep his hands on the ball for so long and, even worse, allowing him to drag it along the ground while it is still technically "in"
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
You mean that thing that multiple teams (including the ABs) do?
Faking the ball out of the ruck (or scrum) is a short arm. But if they leave the ruck area without the ball then it isn't.
I'd be mindful when casting stones - all the stuff you guys are describing is in the AB playbook as well.
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Geez I'm surprised at the people climbing into Laumape (apart from @Tim ). Not really sure what he could have done outside the arseclownery that was going on inside him, he was on a beating to nothing. I'd still like to see what he has to offer in a proper team.
One that doesn't have the halfback leaving the ball in the scrum while it's getting mullered or running up to the breakdown and pointing at all the gaps so the opposition can fill them and not releasing the ball until they have.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Geez I'm surprised at the people climbing into Laumape (apart from @Tim ). Not really sure what he could have done outside the arseclownery that was going on inside him, he was on a beating to nothing. I'd still like to see what he has to offer in a proper team.
One that doesn't have the halfback leaving the ball in the scrum while it's getting mullered or running up to the breakdown and pointing at all the gaps so the opposition can fill them and not releasing the ball until they have.
I pretty much echoed that post in the "Fozzie" thread before I saw this.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Weber's pass was at his wobbly SRA standards the first couple and maybe one or two after but at least he was distributing the ball.
The worst part about Perenara other than his typical mouthy carry on was he'd take so long and then still throw it at someone's ankles and/or behind them.
I thought I was watching late career Weepu last night and the absolute eternity for the ball to come out of the ruck.
The irony was him trying to “speed up” the play by taking a quick tap, yet it was slow mo from the ruck.
It was just disappointing all round game from TJ. I really hope he bounces back if he gets a shot against the Argies.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Weber's pass was at his wobbly SRA standards the first couple and maybe one or two after but at least he was distributing the ball.
The worst part about Perenara other than his typical mouthy carry on was he'd take so long and then still throw it at someone's ankles and/or behind them.
I thought I was watching late career Weepu last night and the absolute eternity for the ball to come out of the ruck.
The irony was him trying to “speed up” the play by taking a quick tap, yet it was slow mo from the ruck.
It was just disappointing all round game from TJ. I really hope he bounces back if he gets a shot against the Argies.
They’re only friendlies so I’d say he’ll start both
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
What, even if you're playing it with your hands and then lifting it?
Yep. It makes a more clear line about when its out. The issue with "hands on = out" i.e. the old interpretation becomes timing of the opposition coming around the ruck. Easier if "pigeon poo" rule is applied at every ruck for consistency.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
What, even if you're playing it with your hands and then lifting it?
Yep. It makes a more clear line about when its out. The issue with "hands on = out" i.e. the old interpretation becomes timing of the opposition coming around the ruck. Easier if "pigeon poo" rule is applied at every ruck for consistency.
I know about hands on The bird poo rule has been about for decades. I'm sure the law used to be if you pick it up it's out, when did that change?
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
You mean that thing that multiple teams (including the ABs) do?
Faking the ball out of the ruck (or scrum) is a short arm. But if they leave the ruck area without the ball then it isn't.
I'd be mindful when casting stones - all the stuff you guys are describing is in the AB playbook as well.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
You mean that thing that multiple teams (including the ABs) do?
Faking the ball out of the ruck (or scrum) is a short arm. But if they leave the ruck area without the ball then it isn't.
I'd be mindful when casting stones - all the stuff you guys are describing is in the AB playbook as well.
I'll buy into your whataboutery when you can show me one example of an AB halfback doing a dummy run off the back of a ruck while someone else picks and runs the other direction.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
What, even if you're playing it with your hands and then lifting it?
Yep. It makes a more clear line about when its out. The issue with "hands on = out" i.e. the old interpretation becomes timing of the opposition coming around the ruck. Easier if "pigeon poo" rule is applied at every ruck for consistency.
I know about hands on The bird poo rule has been about for decades. I'm sure the law used to be if you pick it up it's out, when did that change?
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I know about hands on The bird poo rule has been about for decades. I'm sure the law used to be if you pick it up it's out, when did that change?
The Law doesn't actually state anything about "pick it up" - just when it leaves the ruck. In effect, refs have been letting halfbacks use hands in the ruck for years in order to prevent blowing a whistle at every ruck for "hands in the ruck".
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=15&language=EN
ENDING A RUCK
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When the ball has been clearly won by a team at the ruck, and is available to be played, the referee calls “use it”, after which the ball must be played away from the ruck within five seconds. Sanction: Scrum.
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The ruck ends and play continues when the ball leaves the ruck or when the ball in the ruck is on or over the goal line.
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The ruck ends when the ball becomes unplayable. If the referee decides that the ball will probably not emerge within a reasonable time, a scrum is awarded.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
You mean that thing that multiple teams (including the ABs) do?
Faking the ball out of the ruck (or scrum) is a short arm. But if they leave the ruck area without the ball then it isn't.
I'd be mindful when casting stones - all the stuff you guys are describing is in the AB playbook as well.
I'll buy into your whataboutery when you can show me one example of an AB halfback doing a dummy run off the back of a ruck while someone else picks and runs the other direction.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I'll buy into your whataboutery when you can show me one example of an AB halfback doing a dummy run off the back of a ruck while someone else picks and runs the other direction.
Fine I'll go dig into my library of every AB ruck in history and pick you the best ones...
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on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
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on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
Suggestions from everybody welcome. I'm struggling to think of any right now.
Doesn't change the point but we a re lacking options I think.
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on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
@Kiwiwomble based on what I have seen in this years M10 Cup, Fakatava and Nock would be the 9's I'd like to see more of, but sadly both have had limited chances at Super level for various reasons, although being back up at your Super team doesnt always stop you getting into the big kids team!
Fakatava has a good passing game and very strong defensively, Nock has a great passing game, kicking game is up there, very quick and seems to be defending more this year too.
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on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
Also we are assuming Smith is going to be around for ever. He is approaching 100 tests assume his goal will be 2023 so fingers crossed he can maintain his high levels of performance and stay injury free. I agree we should start looking at new blood like Fakatava
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@Kiwiwomble based on what I have seen in this years M10 Cup, Fakatava and Nock would be the 9's I'd like to see more of, but sadly both have had limited chances at Super level for various reasons, although being back up at your Super team doesnt always stop you getting into the big kids team!
Fakatava has a good passing game and very strong defensively, Nock has a great passing game, kicking game is up there, very quick and seems to be defending more this year too.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Fakatava
Shame hes in the same team as Smith. As hes got mUCh better with game time in the NPC
Perenara lets things get to him during a game. Its then when he does the silly stuff. I wonder if leading the haka is the best thing for him. Maybe let someone else do it so he can start a bit calmer
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Fakatava is an obvious one as, assuming the Landers have re signed him, as he gets to learn form smith all year long
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Fakatava is an obvious one as, assuming the Landers have re signed him, as he gets to learn form smith all year long
@Kiwiwomble did someone say he is not yet qualified to play for NZ, and may even opt for Tonga (which IMO is the best route if he is still awaiting qualification)
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Fakatava is an obvious one as, assuming the Landers have re signed him, as he gets to learn form smith all year long
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Fakatava is an obvious one as, assuming the Landers have re signed him, as he gets to learn form smith all year long
That's a good point, but better than more game time? Dunno.
