Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
What, even if you're playing it with your hands and then lifting it?
Yep. It makes a more clear line about when its out. The issue with "hands on = out" i.e. the old interpretation becomes timing of the opposition coming around the ruck. Easier if "pigeon poo" rule is applied at every ruck for consistency.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
What, even if you're playing it with your hands and then lifting it?
Yep. It makes a more clear line about when its out. The issue with "hands on = out" i.e. the old interpretation becomes timing of the opposition coming around the ruck. Easier if "pigeon poo" rule is applied at every ruck for consistency.
I know about hands on The bird poo rule has been about for decades. I'm sure the law used to be if you pick it up it's out, when did that change?
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
You mean that thing that multiple teams (including the ABs) do?
Faking the ball out of the ruck (or scrum) is a short arm. But if they leave the ruck area without the ball then it isn't.
I'd be mindful when casting stones - all the stuff you guys are describing is in the AB playbook as well.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
You mean that thing that multiple teams (including the ABs) do?
Faking the ball out of the ruck (or scrum) is a short arm. But if they leave the ruck area without the ball then it isn't.
I'd be mindful when casting stones - all the stuff you guys are describing is in the AB playbook as well.
I'll buy into your whataboutery when you can show me one example of an AB halfback doing a dummy run off the back of a ruck while someone else picks and runs the other direction.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
While I'm on halfbacks. That setup the Aussies do for box kicks is fucken atrocious and should be stamped out. White picks the ball up for about 5 seconds and fucks about before kicking it, the whole time the ref saying it's still in. It's fucken not!
Caterpillar ruck is a blight on the game.
However it is still in provided it is under a bound player.
What, even if you're playing it with your hands and then lifting it?
Yep. It makes a more clear line about when its out. The issue with "hands on = out" i.e. the old interpretation becomes timing of the opposition coming around the ruck. Easier if "pigeon poo" rule is applied at every ruck for consistency.
I know about hands on The bird poo rule has been about for decades. I'm sure the law used to be if you pick it up it's out, when did that change?
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I know about hands on The bird poo rule has been about for decades. I'm sure the law used to be if you pick it up it's out, when did that change?
The Law doesn't actually state anything about "pick it up" - just when it leaves the ruck. In effect, refs have been letting halfbacks use hands in the ruck for years in order to prevent blowing a whistle at every ruck for "hands in the ruck".
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=15&language=EN
ENDING A RUCK
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When the ball has been clearly won by a team at the ruck, and is available to be played, the referee calls “use it”, after which the ball must be played away from the ruck within five seconds. Sanction: Scrum.
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The ruck ends and play continues when the ball leaves the ruck or when the ball in the ruck is on or over the goal line.
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The ruck ends when the ball becomes unplayable. If the referee decides that the ball will probably not emerge within a reasonable time, a scrum is awarded.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Especially when you're allowing the halfback to also "dummy" picking up and running wide while leaving it for someone to do it in the other direction.
You mean that thing that multiple teams (including the ABs) do?
Faking the ball out of the ruck (or scrum) is a short arm. But if they leave the ruck area without the ball then it isn't.
I'd be mindful when casting stones - all the stuff you guys are describing is in the AB playbook as well.
I'll buy into your whataboutery when you can show me one example of an AB halfback doing a dummy run off the back of a ruck while someone else picks and runs the other direction.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I'll buy into your whataboutery when you can show me one example of an AB halfback doing a dummy run off the back of a ruck while someone else picks and runs the other direction.
Fine I'll go dig into my library of every AB ruck in history and pick you the best ones...
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on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
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on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
Suggestions from everybody welcome. I'm struggling to think of any right now.
Doesn't change the point but we a re lacking options I think.
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on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
@Kiwiwomble based on what I have seen in this years M10 Cup, Fakatava and Nock would be the 9's I'd like to see more of, but sadly both have had limited chances at Super level for various reasons, although being back up at your Super team doesnt always stop you getting into the big kids team!
Fakatava has a good passing game and very strong defensively, Nock has a great passing game, kicking game is up there, very quick and seems to be defending more this year too.
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on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
on half backs
if we're going to give them so little time, why not have a young bloke coming through
TJ and Weber have been around for a while and havent been able to unseat Smith...identify a successor, someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
Also we are assuming Smith is going to be around for ever. He is approaching 100 tests assume his goal will be 2023 so fingers crossed he can maintain his high levels of performance and stay injury free. I agree we should start looking at new blood like Fakatava
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@Kiwiwomble based on what I have seen in this years M10 Cup, Fakatava and Nock would be the 9's I'd like to see more of, but sadly both have had limited chances at Super level for various reasons, although being back up at your Super team doesnt always stop you getting into the big kids team!
Fakatava has a good passing game and very strong defensively, Nock has a great passing game, kicking game is up there, very quick and seems to be defending more this year too.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Fakatava
Shame hes in the same team as Smith. As hes got mUCh better with game time in the NPC
Perenara lets things get to him during a game. Its then when he does the silly stuff. I wonder if leading the haka is the best thing for him. Maybe let someone else do it so he can start a bit calmer
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Fakatava is an obvious one as, assuming the Landers have re signed him, as he gets to learn form smith all year long
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Fakatava is an obvious one as, assuming the Landers have re signed him, as he gets to learn form smith all year long
@Kiwiwomble did someone say he is not yet qualified to play for NZ, and may even opt for Tonga (which IMO is the best route if he is still awaiting qualification)
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Fakatava is an obvious one as, assuming the Landers have re signed him, as he gets to learn form smith all year long
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Fakatava is an obvious one as, assuming the Landers have re signed him, as he gets to learn form smith all year long
That's a good point, but better than more game time? Dunno.
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@Kiwiwomble did someone say he is not yet qualified to play for NZ, and may even opt for Tonga (which IMO is the best route if he is still awaiting qualification)
@taniwharugby google says he moved to NZ four years ago...whats the timeframes?
@Snowy im hoping the Landers realise smith wont be around for ever too and so will start giving Fakatava more gametime
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@taniwharugby google says he moved to NZ four years ago...whats the timeframes?
@Snowy im hoping the Landers realise smith wont be around for ever too and so will start giving Fakatava more gametime
@Kiwiwomble qualification clock doesnt start until he leaves school I think.
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@Kiwiwomble qualification clock doesnt start until he leaves school I think.
@taniwharugby unless he's become a NZ citizen surely
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@taniwharugby unless he's become a NZ citizen surely
@Kiwiwomble not sure, I think for WR it requires that 3 years post leaving school, otherwise it'd be an easy loophole to get around.
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@taniwharugby unless he's become a NZ citizen surely
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@taniwharugby unless he's become a NZ citizen surely
Still got to do the residency time I think. Can't just become a citizen and play for adopted country as far as I know. Olympic anomoly aside.
3 Year rule is still in force until end of this year then it goes to 5.
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@taniwharugby unless he's become a NZ citizen surely
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@taniwharugby unless he's become a NZ citizen surely
No, citizenship has nothing to do with WR qualification process.
If on scholarship, and family home is not in NZ then it doesn't count towards residency. So time starts from when leaves school (and is a self-supporting adult).
Whether he qualifies in 3 years or 5 years will come down to a bit of lucky timing. The 5 year got pushed back a year because some poor petals might not complete their being poached on time - because of potentially cancelled tests this November due to covid.
I think he'll be 5 years. Which gives us time to sort out his hair, if he were to come over to the darkness. But I'd prefer he played for Tonga.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@taniwharugby unless he's become a NZ citizen surely
No, citizenship has nothing to do with WR qualification process.
If on scholarship, and family home is not in NZ then it doesn't count towards residency. So time starts from when leaves school (and is a self-supporting adult).
Whether he qualifies in 3 years or 5 years will come down to a bit of lucky timing. The 5 year got pushed back a year because some poor petals might not complete their being poached on time - because of potentially cancelled tests this November due to covid.
I think he'll be 5 years. Which gives us time to sort out his hair, if he were to come over to the darkness. But I'd prefer he played for Tonga.
@Rapido said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Which gives us time to sort out his hair,
Nice.
@Rapido said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I'd prefer he played for Tonga.
I think that we are going to need him.
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who else then if we have to wait a few years?
