Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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I really think they need to look at Nock, I think he'd fit the AB's game well.
He's quick, has a slick pass, good running game, and a great kicking game.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
Suggestions from everybody welcome. I'm struggling to think of any right now.
Doesn't change the point but we a re lacking options I think.
@Snowy said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
Suggestions from everybody welcome. I'm struggling to think of any right now.
Doesn't change the point but we a re lacking options I think.
Roe for Waikato has been pretty electric around the ruck with some lovely running and deft passing. I havent seen a lot of him but what I did see was a player with plenty of confidence to play and seems to read the game well. Deserves some minutes in super rugby.
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@Snowy said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
someone young enough to work on the things theyre not doing right
Suggestions from everybody welcome. I'm struggling to think of any right now.
Doesn't change the point but we a re lacking options I think.
Roe for Waikato has been pretty electric around the ruck with some lovely running and deft passing. I havent seen a lot of him but what I did see was a player with plenty of confidence to play and seems to read the game well. Deserves some minutes in super rugby.
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@Rapido said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
How is TTT? Genuine question. Haven't seen him play this year.
He's on the bench for us at the moment behind Luke Campbell. I think he has been returning from injury - there are no injury updates from the Union so it's been difficult to tell what's form and what's injury in the selections. He knew how to set up the final match winning try in the 83rd minute yesterday though:
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Some more on the red card
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
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@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
Yes I know. Not sure what your point is though.
I didn’t oppose the RC, it’s more the line that Berry said that there were no mitigating factors.
For me there is an avenue of defence to minimise further sanction at the judiciary that the ABs could take though.
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@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
Yes I know. Not sure what your point is though.
I didn’t oppose the RC, it’s more the line that Berry said that there were no mitigating factors.
For me there is an avenue of defence to minimise further sanction at the judiciary that the ABs could take though.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
Yes I know. Not sure what your point is though.
I didn’t oppose the RC, it’s more the line that Berry said that there were no mitigating factors.
For me there is an avenue of defence to minimise further sanction at the judiciary that the ABs could take though.
Ofa skates pretty close on a lot of his hits. He's not leaving himself an awful lot of room for error. And this is exactly what World Rugby wants, that target point to drop right down.
Yes, he is a big unit, but he needs to change, not the laws.
I personally don't like it, but at least i can understand the rationale.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
Yes I know. Not sure what your point is though.
I didn’t oppose the RC, it’s more the line that Berry said that there were no mitigating factors.
For me there is an avenue of defence to minimise further sanction at the judiciary that the ABs could take though.
Ofa skates pretty close on a lot of his hits. He's not leaving himself an awful lot of room for error. And this is exactly what World Rugby wants, that target point to drop right down.
Yes, he is a big unit, but he needs to change, not the laws.
I personally don't like it, but at least i can understand the rationale.
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
Yes I know. Not sure what your point is though.
I didn’t oppose the RC, it’s more the line that Berry said that there were no mitigating factors.
For me there is an avenue of defence to minimise further sanction at the judiciary that the ABs could take though.
Ofa skates pretty close on a lot of his hits. He's not leaving himself an awful lot of room for error. And this is exactly what World Rugby wants, that target point to drop right down.
Yes, he is a big unit, but he needs to change, not the laws.
I personally don't like it, but at least i can understand the rationale.
I agree. Some serious hip flexibility work might be coming his way from Nic Gill
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
Yes I know. Not sure what your point is though.
I didn’t oppose the RC, it’s more the line that Berry said that there were no mitigating factors.
For me there is an avenue of defence to minimise further sanction at the judiciary that the ABs could take though.
Ofa skates pretty close on a lot of his hits. He's not leaving himself an awful lot of room for error. And this is exactly what World Rugby wants, that target point to drop right down.
Yes, he is a big unit, but he needs to change, not the laws.
I personally don't like it, but at least i can understand the rationale.
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@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I personally don't like it
Why not.
because for me, and this is just my personal opinion, red cards should be for serious foul play. Neither one on the weekend meet my threshold for that.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some more on the red card
Not a bad piece from Cully. I didn’t necessarily agree with the no mitigating circumstances line, but we are talking about small degrees of body height and contact point.
At times players are MUCH lower. in this case it wasn't even close to being enough
Concussion is a serious danger to players and rugby itself. the administrators need to be very hard on players that do these head tackles. It needs to be stamped out. Otherwise rugby could in the future maybe be sued for not taking this issue seriously enough
Yes I know. Not sure what your point is though.
I didn’t oppose the RC, it’s more the line that Berry said that there were no mitigating factors.
For me there is an avenue of defence to minimise further sanction at the judiciary that the ABs could take though.
Ofa skates pretty close on a lot of his hits. He's not leaving himself an awful lot of room for error. And this is exactly what World Rugby wants, that target point to drop right down.
Yes, he is a big unit, but he needs to change, not the laws.
I personally don't like it, but at least i can understand the rationale.
@mariner4life yeah it's a tough one.
Priority 1 - health and safety of players
Priority 2 - maintain the integrity of a a full contact sport -
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Haven't had a chance to put my general thoughts together about the game yet.
Is it weird that the loss didn't hurt me as much as it really should? Maybe it was just the crazy nature of the game with multiple cards etc. Maybe it was due to the fact we already have the Bled in the cupboard?
The Good
> Akira and his bro, still nuts that they have detractors even when they put in good shifts. Hopefully Akira has more starts in his future and gets the chance to play a whole game. Made some good metres with the ball in hand, his offensive defence was good and he thumped into some rucks. He seemed to be stationed wide (like the Blues did with the Ginga Jesus last year) early on but moved in I assume to get near the ball as the game went on. As I've already mentioned in the match thread/MoTM thread Reiko had to clean up a lot shit.
Whitelock put in another good performance. The young fella looked like he was up to the task again when he came on. With those two, a returning BBBR and Patty T we're looking ok lockwise.
Cane and Ardie, so much debate about these two earlier in the year, they both had decent matches, Ardie started slow whereas Cane seemed to run himself to a stand still.
After weathering the early Oz storm and before Ofa got carded the ABs were actually playing some good constructive rugby. Hopefully they can get back to that.
Wright looked good for the Wallabies. He'll give hope to all non Fijian wings in Australia (TBF he might actually be the only non Fijian wing currently in Oz).
My Aussie mate was happy, he's also a Tahs fan so he does it tough, so I don't begrudge him the odd win. He was sober so wasn't an obnoxious winner which is likely the reason this is in the Good and not the Bad column.
The Bad
The dude who did the Welcome to Country forgetting he was at a rugby match and not a bogan rugby match.
The Red Cards. I think it would have been fine if they were both yellows. I get the whole deterrent thing that @NTA mentioned in the thread but I think at the speed of the game the margins are just too small. I also think the ref balls'd it up when he said Wright wasn't dropping, he clearly was, no matter how slight. The Aussie bloke (can't remember his name, Missing Link Mk II) was having a cracker of a match so that was a big loss for Oz.
Not taking the 3 points at the end of the first half after multiple penalties. Better to go into halftime with scoreboard pressure even if it's 3 and not 7. Black mark against Cane for his captaincy there.
Too many Barretts. BB had an average game which is annoying because RM hasn't really shone yet as a test 10. JB was his usual rocks and diamonds self. SB is confirming he's an actual idiot the more he plays.
TJP. I don't hate him like some do, and have always liked his contrasting style to Smith. But, he's out of form, plain and simple. Weber was out of form in Super rugby, TJP is now. Hopefully it's not a drop off the cliff though.
Reece. He's just shit. Hanson fucked up with his wing choices last year and Foster is continuing with it. Even at his erratic worst Naholo was easily better than this chump. Hell, I think even the crap version of NMS was better.
The Rugby
Mostly dud.
Most of that is down to their personalities I believe
@MN5 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Most of that is down to their personalities I believe
All the interviews I've seen with Akira he's seemed like a pretty chilled bloke, and when Reiko was doing those videos for the ABs he didn't seem any different than say Jane when he used to do the videos.
I can't actually understand why they wind people up so much.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
I'm with you, there's no way a tackle gone wrong is the same as a punch, a knee, a kick, a bite etc.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
@mariner4life Maybe they need Yellow, Orange and Red. Orange is for careless tackles around head. 10 minutes in bin and on report, red only for intentional foul play like eating someone's ear.
Edit, na fuck 3 cards, too confusing, yellow and report. -
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
FFS, he's going to have to watch himself now, he'll need to be squeaky clean from now on.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
FFS, he's going to have to watch himself now, he'll need to be squeaky clean from now on.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
FFS, he's going to have to watch himself now, he'll need to be squeaky clean from now on.
people are going to have to fall a long way down for him to hit them in the scone
