Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.
@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.
Yeah have to agree. Rieko Ioane for JB gives us better finishing power.Then you only need JB or DMac on the bench not both.
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Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.
@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.
With you on that. He seems to have a good eye for a gap / play what's in front of you type player.
Great boot, good pass. Not so much use on the wing. Reduced space (touchlines, rush defence) lack of flat out speed or a serious step.Strengths not being used for me.
Wing cover (if we have to) from the bench.
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@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Otherwise no surprises he chose his strongest lineup with Nepo being eased back in.It's not the strongest line-up.
Akira isn't there.@Frank said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Otherwise no surprises he chose his strongest lineup with Nepo being eased back in.It's not the strongest line-up.
Akira isn't there.Think you can read my responses above.
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Moody, Coles, Laulala, Tuipoluto, Whitelock, Frizell, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mo’unga, Clarke, Goodhue, Lienart-Brown, Ioane, B. Barrett
Smith to play 80 minutes.
Looks about right. Lomax a big opportunity
All Blacks: Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue, Caleb Clarke, Richie Mo’unga, Aaron Smith; Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (c), Shannon Frizell, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Tyrel Lomax, Dane Coles, Joe Moody. Reserves: Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman, Nepo Laulala, Tupou Vaa’i, Hoskins Sotutu, Brad Weber, Rieko Ioane, Damian McKenzie.
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@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
One thing neither Reece or Rieko offer is a kicking game - it's crazy to me these guys don't work on these sort of skills as professional players.
Reece has even admitted that this is a big work-on.
@Bovidae said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
One thing neither Reece or Rieko offer is a kicking game - it's crazy to me these guys don't work on these sort of skills as professional players.
Reece has even admitted that this is a big work-on.
Surely growing a few inches must be his main work-on?
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Looks about right. Lomax a big opportunity
All Blacks: Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue, Caleb Clarke, Richie Mo’unga, Aaron Smith; Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (c), Shannon Frizell, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Tyrel Lomax, Dane Coles, Joe Moody. Reserves: Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman, Nepo Laulala, Tupou Vaa’i, Hoskins Sotutu, Brad Weber, Rieko Ioane, Damian McKenzie.
@Winger said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Looks about right. Lomax a big opportunity
All Blacks: Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue, Caleb Clarke, Richie Mo’unga, Aaron Smith; Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (c), Shannon Frizell, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Tyrel Lomax, Dane Coles, Joe Moody. Reserves: Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman, Nepo Laulala, Tupou Vaa’i, Hoskins Sotutu, Brad Weber, Rieko Ioane, Damian McKenzie.
Good team, like the look of Brad Webber on the bench instead of TJP.
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Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late) -
@Bovidae said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
One thing neither Reece or Rieko offer is a kicking game - it's crazy to me these guys don't work on these sort of skills as professional players.
Reece has even admitted that this is a big work-on.
Surely growing a few inches must be his main work-on?
@chimoaus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bovidae said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
One thing neither Reece or Rieko offer is a kicking game - it's crazy to me these guys don't work on these sort of skills as professional players.
Reece has even admitted that this is a big work-on.
Surely growing a few inches must be his main work-on?
It's all in the hairstyle.
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@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kpkanz said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
How the fuk has Jordie started every game? Is he seriously first team calibre now that we cant afford to not play him?
If thats the case, the AB's are in a terrible state.Really unlucky for Will Jordan, he is the guy who should really be pushing Jordie. Probably would have been on the bench for DMAC and could have pressed his claims for a start.
Rieko was pretty good on the wing last week too, certainly better than Jordie has been.
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Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late)@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late)That's where Akira was on attack, similar to how the Blues used him pre-2019 (Very Read like) but he was tight on defense, and that's where he shone. Everyone knows he can make great runs and links well with backs, what impressed was the defensive grunt work, literally lifting Aussies out of rucks, hitting hard on defence, and showing great desperation with one handed tackles.
He also stole a bloody lineout.
Much higher ceiling than Frizzel IMO, and it's the same as with Clark and Bridge, he just needs to move on from being convervative and reward form.
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What is weird is that TJ gets dropped but he didn’t pull him earlier last week, so maybe it’s not even a dropping and just a rotation?
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
What is weird is that TJ gets dropped but he didn’t pull him earlier last week, so maybe it’s not even a dropping and just a rotation?
TJ Perenera is a long way below International standard now. His pass is poor. Glad he is missing for the squad for tthe Argentina game. Don't want to see him in the AB 23 again.
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@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
What is weird is that TJ gets dropped but he didn’t pull him earlier last week, so maybe it’s not even a dropping and just a rotation?
TJ Perenera is a long way below International standard now. His pass is poor. Glad he is missing for the squad for tthe Argentina game. Don't want to see him in the AB 23 again.
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
What is weird is that TJ gets dropped but he didn’t pull him earlier last week, so maybe it’s not even a dropping and just a rotation?
TJ Perenera is a long way below International standard now. His pass is poor. Glad he is missing for the squad for tthe Argentina game. Don't want to see him in the AB 23 again.
What irritates me most isn't the odd bad option or the poor skill execution- that happens to the very best. For me TJ simply isn't showing the composure necessary in the most important position on the field.
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I would say there was almost zero chance of Frizell being dropped after being rested after two strong performances even if Akira is the peoples favorite.
@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I would say there was almost zero chance of Frizell being dropped after being rested after two strong performances even if Akira is the peoples favorite.
Frizell was busy. Akira was effective.
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@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I would say there was almost zero chance of Frizell being dropped after being rested after two strong performances even if Akira is the peoples favorite.
Frizell was busy. Akira was effective.
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I would say there was almost zero chance of Frizell being dropped after being rested after two strong performances even if Akira is the peoples favorite.
Frizell was busy. Akira was effective.
Akira was also cut short, which was a shame for him
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@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late)That's where Akira was on attack, similar to how the Blues used him pre-2019 (Very Read like) but he was tight on defense, and that's where he shone. Everyone knows he can make great runs and links well with backs, what impressed was the defensive grunt work, literally lifting Aussies out of rucks, hitting hard on defence, and showing great desperation with one handed tackles.
He also stole a bloody lineout.
Much higher ceiling than Frizzel IMO, and it's the same as with Clark and Bridge, he just needs to move on from being convervative and reward form.
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late)That's where Akira was on attack, similar to how the Blues used him pre-2019 (Very Read like) but he was tight on defense, and that's where he shone. Everyone knows he can make great runs and links well with backs, what impressed was the defensive grunt work, literally lifting Aussies out of rucks, hitting hard on defence, and showing great desperation with one handed tackles.
He also stole a bloody lineout.
Much higher ceiling than Frizzel IMO, and it's the same as with Clark and Bridge, he just needs to move on from being convervative and reward form.
I don’t disagree with any of that. Not quite sure why you quoted my post. I wasn’t saying Akita played poorly just that the overall tactics for the team were different and were looking to possibly play to the strengths you mention.
If going back to the other setup then I can see why they might think they have the right group for it.
I would hope that Akira has been given an assurance that they will give him game time next game. -
We now know where Scott Barrett stands in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
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@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
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@akan004 yeah I think that is what I'd be thinking...he has fucked up with 2 brain farts v Aus now...go sit down in the corner and have a think about what you done gone did son!
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@akan004 yeah I think that is what I'd be thinking...he has fucked up with 2 brain farts v Aus now...go sit down in the corner and have a think about what you done gone did son!
2 stupid acts and two losses.
