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    @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @Machpants said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    Foster is the one who should be heading home. The buck stops at you, fuck face

    All Blacks, Sport, Rugby

    All Blacks to send players home as Foster issues warning

    All Blacks to send players home as Foster issues warning

    Ian Foster has confirmed the squad will shrink as players are sent home for an early break

    Take a leaf out of Gary Stead's book you reckon?

    Only if it was pre planned.

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    @Gunner said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @Machpants said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    Foster is the one who should be heading home. The buck stops at you, fuck face

    All Blacks, Sport, Rugby

    All Blacks to send players home as Foster issues warning

    All Blacks to send players home as Foster issues warning

    Ian Foster has confirmed the squad will shrink as players are sent home for an early break

    Take a leaf out of Gary Stead's book you reckon?

    Only if it they say it was pre planned.

    FIFY

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    @westcoastie said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    I missed the game on Saturday - what happened?
    Was there even a game?

    I'm not going to read back through these posts. Its too depressing. For a long time, I felt our performance in the Lions First test was our template moving forward, now it looks more and more like an aberration. It now seems that we really can't look at in all the recent losses since the BIL & Chicago in isolation, because a pattern has formed, and we really have come back to the pack - which is great for World Rugby, shit for us.

    Foster has to go.
    RM is not the next Dan Carter, in fact, I think its probably been shown that BB is better behind a poor pack. RM has and does go missing when its not working in front of him. We have some issues, not just RM, but right through the whole team & culture. Time for change.
    I hope Razor can fix them.

    RM is a big time downhill skier and he's shown that quite amply over the past couple of months. No ability or even willingness to try and impact the game when it's not being served up on a platter. I also wonder if he has a good enough kicking game to be steering this team around the park. This team is going to get beaten upfront fairly regularly it seems, so we need a 10 who can actually kick a ball in a way that's going to relieve pressure. I don't see that he has this ability.

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    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @westcoastie said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    I missed the game on Saturday - what happened?
    Was there even a game?

    I'm not going to read back through these posts. Its too depressing. For a long time, I felt our performance in the Lions First test was our template moving forward, now it looks more and more like an aberration. It now seems that we really can't look at in all the recent losses since the BIL & Chicago in isolation, because a pattern has formed, and we really have come back to the pack - which is great for World Rugby, shit for us.

    Foster has to go.
    RM is not the next Dan Carter, in fact, I think its probably been shown that BB is better behind a poor pack. RM has and does go missing when its not working in front of him. We have some issues, not just RM, but right through the whole team & culture. Time for change.
    I hope Razor can fix them.

    RM is a big time downhill skier and he's shown that quite amply over the past couple of months. No ability or even willingness to try and impact the game when it's not being served up on a platter. I also wonder if he has a good enough kicking game to be steering this team around the park. This team is going to get beaten upfront fairly regularly it seems, so we need a 10 who can actually kick a ball in a way that's going to relieve pressure. I don't see that he has this ability.

    He is one of many issues. After the Summer of rugby we've had from Henry and Hansen, this Winter is going to be cold and gloomy

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    @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @westcoastie said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    I missed the game on Saturday - what happened?
    Was there even a game?

    I'm not going to read back through these posts. Its too depressing. For a long time, I felt our performance in the Lions First test was our template moving forward, now it looks more and more like an aberration. It now seems that we really can't look at in all the recent losses since the BIL & Chicago in isolation, because a pattern has formed, and we really have come back to the pack - which is great for World Rugby, shit for us.

    Foster has to go.
    RM is not the next Dan Carter, in fact, I think its probably been shown that BB is better behind a poor pack. RM has and does go missing when its not working in front of him. We have some issues, not just RM, but right through the whole team & culture. Time for change.
    I hope Razor can fix them.

    RM is a big time downhill skier and he's shown that quite amply over the past couple of months. No ability or even willingness to try and impact the game when it's not being served up on a platter. I also wonder if he has a good enough kicking game to be steering this team around the park. This team is going to get beaten upfront fairly regularly it seems, so we need a 10 who can actually kick a ball in a way that's going to relieve pressure. I don't see that he has this ability.

    He is one of many issues. After the Summer of rugby we've had from Henry and Hansen, this Winter is going to be cold and gloomy

    Agreed, and I'm not saying that he is solely to blame for where the team currently sits. I'm just saying, with where this team is currently at, he might not actually be the best guy to be steering them around the park (and he's not even steering them to be accurate).

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    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @westcoastie said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    I missed the game on Saturday - what happened?
    Was there even a game?

    I'm not going to read back through these posts. Its too depressing. For a long time, I felt our performance in the Lions First test was our template moving forward, now it looks more and more like an aberration. It now seems that we really can't look at in all the recent losses since the BIL & Chicago in isolation, because a pattern has formed, and we really have come back to the pack - which is great for World Rugby, shit for us.

    Foster has to go.
    RM is not the next Dan Carter, in fact, I think its probably been shown that BB is better behind a poor pack. RM has and does go missing when its not working in front of him. We have some issues, not just RM, but right through the whole team & culture. Time for change.
    I hope Razor can fix them.

    RM is a big time downhill skier and he's shown that quite amply over the past couple of months. No ability or even willingness to try and impact the game when it's not being served up on a platter. I also wonder if he has a good enough kicking game to be steering this team around the park. This team is going to get beaten upfront fairly regularly it seems, so we need a 10 who can actually kick a ball in a way that's going to relieve pressure. I don't see that he has this ability.

    He is one of many issues. After the Summer of rugby we've had from Henry and Hansen, this Winter is going to be cold and gloomy

    Agreed, and I'm not saying that he is solely to blame for where the team currently sits. I'm just saying, with where this team is currently at, he might not actually be the best guy to be steering them around the park (and he's not even steering them to be accurate).

    BB runs hot and cold too, not helped by being played at 15 by the Blues and ABs. Legitimate question, who would you pick?

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    We seem to have a leadership vacuum at the moment, and it is costing us matches

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    @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @westcoastie said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    I missed the game on Saturday - what happened?
    Was there even a game?

    I'm not going to read back through these posts. Its too depressing. For a long time, I felt our performance in the Lions First test was our template moving forward, now it looks more and more like an aberration. It now seems that we really can't look at in all the recent losses since the BIL & Chicago in isolation, because a pattern has formed, and we really have come back to the pack - which is great for World Rugby, shit for us.

    Foster has to go.
    RM is not the next Dan Carter, in fact, I think its probably been shown that BB is better behind a poor pack. RM has and does go missing when its not working in front of him. We have some issues, not just RM, but right through the whole team & culture. Time for change.
    I hope Razor can fix them.

    RM is a big time downhill skier and he's shown that quite amply over the past couple of months. No ability or even willingness to try and impact the game when it's not being served up on a platter. I also wonder if he has a good enough kicking game to be steering this team around the park. This team is going to get beaten upfront fairly regularly it seems, so we need a 10 who can actually kick a ball in a way that's going to relieve pressure. I don't see that he has this ability.

    He is one of many issues. After the Summer of rugby we've had from Henry and Hansen, this Winter is going to be cold and gloomy

    Agreed, and I'm not saying that he is solely to blame for where the team currently sits. I'm just saying, with where this team is currently at, he might not actually be the best guy to be steering them around the park (and he's not even steering them to be accurate).

    BB runs hot and cold too, not helped by being played at 15 by the Blues and ABs. Legitimate question, who would you pick?

    I would pick BB there, TBH. I know he has his issues, but he is the best available option. He is probably our best player and so needs the ball in his hands more. He has a somewhat proven combination with A Smith. Also, he's clearly one of the leaders and decision-makers - he therefore needs to be in a position to effect these decisions. At the moment, I'm not sure we are getting that from RM.

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    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @westcoastie said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    I missed the game on Saturday - what happened?
    Was there even a game?

    I'm not going to read back through these posts. Its too depressing. For a long time, I felt our performance in the Lions First test was our template moving forward, now it looks more and more like an aberration. It now seems that we really can't look at in all the recent losses since the BIL & Chicago in isolation, because a pattern has formed, and we really have come back to the pack - which is great for World Rugby, shit for us.

    Foster has to go.
    RM is not the next Dan Carter, in fact, I think its probably been shown that BB is better behind a poor pack. RM has and does go missing when its not working in front of him. We have some issues, not just RM, but right through the whole team & culture. Time for change.
    I hope Razor can fix them.

    RM is a big time downhill skier and he's shown that quite amply over the past couple of months. No ability or even willingness to try and impact the game when it's not being served up on a platter. I also wonder if he has a good enough kicking game to be steering this team around the park. This team is going to get beaten upfront fairly regularly it seems, so we need a 10 who can actually kick a ball in a way that's going to relieve pressure. I don't see that he has this ability.

    He is one of many issues. After the Summer of rugby we've had from Henry and Hansen, this Winter is going to be cold and gloomy

    Agreed, and I'm not saying that he is solely to blame for where the team currently sits. I'm just saying, with where this team is currently at, he might not actually be the best guy to be steering them around the park (and he's not even steering them to be accurate).

    BB runs hot and cold too, not helped by being played at 15 by the Blues and ABs. Legitimate question, who would you pick?

    I would pick BB there, TBH. I know he has his issues, but he is the best available option. He is probably our best player and so needs the ball in his hands more. He has a somewhat proven combination with A Smith. Also, he's clearly one of the leaders and decision-makers - he therefore needs to be in a position to effect these decisions. At the moment, I'm not sure we are getting that from RM.

    I agree. Offers more leadership

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    No potential for Josh Ioane at 10 in the next couple of years?

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    Maybe. He's not yet the finished article.

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    @Tim said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    Has it been mentioned that last week's AB team was better than this week's?

    Lets not jump to conclusions just yet - Argentina might beat Australia just as easily...

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    @MN5 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    People function better in all aspects of life at a healthy weight. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.

    Fozzie was a bit lighter when he was coaching the Chiefs. Just saying...

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    I had the impression of watching a Top 14 game : slow ball in the rucks, reset scrums, aggressive defence, no try scoring opportunities. After all, eight of the Pumas are playing in French clubs.

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    J. Moody
    C. Taylor
    N. Laulala
    S. Whitelock
    Q. Strange
    S. Barrett
    T. Chief
    C. Grace
    T. Lander
    R. Mo’unga
    S. Reece
    J. Goodhue
    A. Lienart-Brown
    G. Bridge
    W. Jordan

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    @BerniesCorner said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    He use to play 13 so not technically a Cullen

    What you smoking bro? That would be exactly like Cullen. Can't say I've ever heard BB played 13 though.

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    @junior said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @westcoastie said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    I missed the game on Saturday - what happened?
    Was there even a game?

    I'm not going to read back through these posts. Its too depressing. For a long time, I felt our performance in the Lions First test was our template moving forward, now it looks more and more like an aberration. It now seems that we really can't look at in all the recent losses since the BIL & Chicago in isolation, because a pattern has formed, and we really have come back to the pack - which is great for World Rugby, shit for us.

    Foster has to go.
    RM is not the next Dan Carter, in fact, I think its probably been shown that BB is better behind a poor pack. RM has and does go missing when its not working in front of him. We have some issues, not just RM, but right through the whole team & culture. Time for change.
    I hope Razor can fix them.

    RM is a big time downhill skier and he's shown that quite amply over the past couple of months. No ability or even willingness to try and impact the game when it's not being served up on a platter. I also wonder if he has a good enough kicking game to be steering this team around the park. This team is going to get beaten upfront fairly regularly it seems, so we need a 10 who can actually kick a ball in a way that's going to relieve pressure. I don't see that he has this ability.

    Yeah, I think what makes it worse, other than his propensity to disappear into the shadows when the going gets tough, is he just doesn't have a "basics" game to fall back on. Or if he does, he doesn't see it's required.

    How often does he mess up a penalty kick for touch? The one yesterday was a fucken easy kick and was the perfect moment for the ABs to take a breath, push down the field, hold the ball and apply some pressure. And he shanks it so badly it wasn't even close. Then doesn't atone, because he can't.

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    Mo'unga is 26, so his flaws can't be written off to inexperience. At 22, Carlos Spencer was the best 1st 5 in the world (for one year), and could dominate on attack like Mo'unga could only dream of.

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    @kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @hydro11 the running game is about creating space. We were not moving ball into space and when we did Reiko dropped it.

    This a thousand times

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    @hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    @Marty said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

    World has been reeling AB's in since 2015, this was sadly inevitable. Feel bad for Cane.

    It's because we haven't addressed our weaknesses.

    This also a thousand times

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