Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
Players need a vision a decent game plan and faith in the people coaching them to buy into the coaching philosophy I don't see that.
Pick 36 more players under Foster same outcome IMO.
Different issue though.
I don't see too many outside of those already in the squad standing out. The best players available (with one or two injury exceptions) are there.
There is none ,I think we have selected the best players.The issue is what you can achieve with them not much by the look of this coach.
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
Players need a vision a decent game plan and faith in the people coaching them to buy into the coaching philosophy I don't see that.
Pick 36 more players under Foster same outcome IMO.
Different issue though.
I don't see too many outside of those already in the squad standing out. The best players available (with one or two injury exceptions) are there.
There is none ,I think we have selected the best players.The issue is what you can achieve with them not much by the look of this coach.
A couple of extras out there like Big Red Robinson. Maybe Ta'avao. Havili... ok I'm reaching now ...
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@booboo Ideally you have both size and athleticism. But if in doubt go for athleticism. I would start Sotutu at number eight as he ticks both boxes and looks more powerful than Ardie. Frizell is ok but we have lots of options at 6 with Akira, Grace, Robinson, Barrett. Locks and Props seem to be where we might be weak. I think BBBR was starting to fade before he went to Japan so he may not provide a solution. Barrett probably lacks a bit of size but would be a smaller more athletic lock.
The analysis during the week was interesting, suggesting that we carried too much and missed the gaps out wide. When we lost in the WC I remember thinking the rush defence had done a great job in removing those options. So whether we need to better with second man play, going wide quicker, altering our depth there will be some tactical solutions as well.
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Ideally you have both size and athleticism. But if in doubt go for athleticism. I would start Sotutu at number eight as he ticks both boxes and looks more powerful than Ardie. Frizell is ok but we have lots of options at 6 with Akira, Grace, Robinson, Barrett. Locks and Props seem to be where we might be weak. I think BBBR was starting to fade before he went to Japan so he may not provide a solution. Barrett probably lacks a bit of size but would be a smaller more athletic lock.
The analysis during the week was interesting, suggesting that we carried too much and missed the gaps out wide. When we lost in the WC I remember thinking the rush defence had done a great job in removing those options. So whether we need to better with second man play, going wide quicker, altering our depth there will be some tactical solutions as well.
I suppose I was referring to the squad as a whole.
There's not much left on the right hand side of the Tassie who should be there.
My preferred first XV is likely to be similar to many others'.
Ioane to 6, Sotutu to 8, swap JG and ALB, start Clarke and Ioane on the wings, and just choose a specialist 10 and 15.
Funny though, I'd forgotten Grace. Hold out much hope for him.
When you start working out who is not being picked in the looses you realise how the selections are just wrong. (You can park your suggestion of Barrett at 6 though ... )
There is enough talent around. Again I go back to @gt12 's "Just pick" mantra.
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@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Ideally you have both size and athleticism. But if in doubt go for athleticism. I would start Sotutu at number eight as he ticks both boxes and looks more powerful than Ardie. Frizell is ok but we have lots of options at 6 with Akira, Grace, Robinson, Barrett. Locks and Props seem to be where we might be weak. I think BBBR was starting to fade before he went to Japan so he may not provide a solution. Barrett probably lacks a bit of size but would be a smaller more athletic lock.
The analysis during the week was interesting, suggesting that we carried too much and missed the gaps out wide. When we lost in the WC I remember thinking the rush defence had done a great job in removing those options. So whether we need to better with second man play, going wide quicker, altering our depth there will be some tactical solutions as well.
I suppose I was referring to the squad as a whole.
There's not much left on the right hand side of the Tassie who should be there.
My preferred first XV is likely to be similar to many others'.
Ioane to 6, Sotutu to 8, swap JG and ALB, start Clarke and Ioane on the wings, and just choose a specialist 10 and 15.
Funny though, I'd forgotten Grace. Hold out much hope for him.
When you start working out who is not being picked in the looses you realise how the selections are just wrong. (You can park your suggestion of Barrett at 6 though ... )
There is enough talent around. Again I go back to @gt12 's "Just pick" mantra.
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
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@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
No way to Foster talent.
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@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
Players need a vision a decent game plan and faith in the people coaching them to buy into the coaching philosophy I don't see that.
Pick 36 more players under Foster same outcome IMO.
Different issue though.
I don't see too many outside of those already in the squad standing out. The best players available (with one or two injury exceptions) are there.
There is none ,I think we have selected the best players.The issue is what you can achieve with them not much by the look of this coach.
A couple of extras out there like Big Red Robinson. Maybe Ta'avao. Havili... ok I'm reaching now ...
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
Players need a vision a decent game plan and faith in the people coaching them to buy into the coaching philosophy I don't see that.
Pick 36 more players under Foster same outcome IMO.
Different issue though.
I don't see too many outside of those already in the squad standing out. The best players available (with one or two injury exceptions) are there.
There is none ,I think we have selected the best players.The issue is what you can achieve with them not much by the look of this coach.
A couple of extras out there like Big Red Robinson. Maybe Ta'avao. Havili... ok I'm reaching now ...
Yep with you on big red and Havilli
Ta’avao some ground to make up through injuries IMO -
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
Has he been forgotten or just the combination of recovering from injuries and games not going quite how we would have liked have meant Grace/Akira/Papalii haven't got the time on the field we would have liked?
I'm not sure it is necessarily a bad thing for Grace/Papalii - I think another year of Super Rugby will help them really push for a starting AB place, Foster just needed to see if the Cane/Ardie/Frizell option would work.
For Akira, he is ready in 2020 - will be interesting to see if he gets a run in the final game as Matera and co will provide a very good measure of how he can play at International level.
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@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
I’m not gonna upvote this.....but for what it’s worth I guffawed.
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
No way to Foster talent.
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
No way to Foster talent.
Our loose forwards got Caned
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Some interesting stats on that page. This one jumped out, we are twice as likely to get a yellow card compared to our opponent. Either our discipline sucks or refs hate us
@chimoaus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Some interesting stats on that page. This one jumped out, we are twice as likely to get a yellow card compared to our opponent. Either our discipline sucks or refs hate us
Data is for last 5 years i.e. Since McCaw retired
It isn't that refs hate you as much as it is your subsequent captains have sucked
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@antipodean AFG being our best ref is yet another indication that rugby is up shit creek here, at the moment.
There are a couple of younger guys I've seen in Subbies and Premier footy here in Sydney who look the goods BUT it depends on how the politics play out.
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@Derpus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA He looked the goods a few years ago. Berry is better now IMO.
Damned with faint praise
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@Derpus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA He looked the goods a few years ago. Berry is better now IMO.
BUT THE RID CARDS BRO!!!
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Derpus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA He looked the goods a few years ago. Berry is better now IMO.
BUT THE RID CARDS BRO!!!
How about the consistency of law application, excellent stuff there. Maybe they should sit him down with AFG so that you can guess what they're saying to each other? I think you're really good at it after your refs course.
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Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
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Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
That was kind of interesting, but I'm resisting joining the Roar just so I can abuse him for calling Super rugby club rugby. Lets see how long I can hold out for.
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Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
@pakman Interesting read and analysis on Patty T, also hinting that perhaps the balance of the back row not right either, which has been discussed to death on here.
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Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
He’s not playing like he was for the Blues that’s for sure.
The Savea and Frizzel analysis was pretty damning too. We are playing the wrong people there, Frizzel is just not good enough.
