Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
Players need a vision a decent game plan and faith in the people coaching them to buy into the coaching philosophy I don't see that.
Pick 36 more players under Foster same outcome IMO.
Different issue though.
I don't see too many outside of those already in the squad standing out. The best players available (with one or two injury exceptions) are there.
There is none ,I think we have selected the best players.The issue is what you can achieve with them not much by the look of this coach.
A couple of extras out there like Big Red Robinson. Maybe Ta'avao. Havili... ok I'm reaching now ...
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Chris said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Who?
Players need a vision a decent game plan and faith in the people coaching them to buy into the coaching philosophy I don't see that.
Pick 36 more players under Foster same outcome IMO.
Different issue though.
I don't see too many outside of those already in the squad standing out. The best players available (with one or two injury exceptions) are there.
There is none ,I think we have selected the best players.The issue is what you can achieve with them not much by the look of this coach.
A couple of extras out there like Big Red Robinson. Maybe Ta'avao. Havili... ok I'm reaching now ...
Yep with you on big red and Havilli
Ta’avao some ground to make up through injuries IMO -
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
Has he been forgotten or just the combination of recovering from injuries and games not going quite how we would have liked have meant Grace/Akira/Papalii haven't got the time on the field we would have liked?
I'm not sure it is necessarily a bad thing for Grace/Papalii - I think another year of Super Rugby will help them really push for a starting AB place, Foster just needed to see if the Cane/Ardie/Frizell option would work.
For Akira, he is ready in 2020 - will be interesting to see if he gets a run in the final game as Matera and co will provide a very good measure of how he can play at International level.
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@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
I’m not gonna upvote this.....but for what it’s worth I guffawed.
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
No way to Foster talent.
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo Grace got 30 seconds in the loss to Aus I think...really useful.
Kinda my point.
I'd forgotten him, and it appears so had Fozzie
DisGraceful.
No way to Foster talent.
Our loose forwards got Caned
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Some interesting stats on that page. This one jumped out, we are twice as likely to get a yellow card compared to our opponent. Either our discipline sucks or refs hate us
@chimoaus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Some interesting stats on that page. This one jumped out, we are twice as likely to get a yellow card compared to our opponent. Either our discipline sucks or refs hate us
Data is for last 5 years i.e. Since McCaw retired
It isn't that refs hate you as much as it is your subsequent captains have sucked
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@antipodean AFG being our best ref is yet another indication that rugby is up shit creek here, at the moment.
There are a couple of younger guys I've seen in Subbies and Premier footy here in Sydney who look the goods BUT it depends on how the politics play out.
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@Derpus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA He looked the goods a few years ago. Berry is better now IMO.
Damned with faint praise
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@Derpus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA He looked the goods a few years ago. Berry is better now IMO.
BUT THE RID CARDS BRO!!!
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Derpus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA He looked the goods a few years ago. Berry is better now IMO.
BUT THE RID CARDS BRO!!!
How about the consistency of law application, excellent stuff there. Maybe they should sit him down with AFG so that you can guess what they're saying to each other? I think you're really good at it after your refs course.
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Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
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Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
That was kind of interesting, but I'm resisting joining the Roar just so I can abuse him for calling Super rugby club rugby. Lets see how long I can hold out for.
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Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
@pakman Interesting read and analysis on Patty T, also hinting that perhaps the balance of the back row not right either, which has been discussed to death on here.
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Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
He’s not playing like he was for the Blues that’s for sure.
The Savea and Frizzel analysis was pretty damning too. We are playing the wrong people there, Frizzel is just not good enough.
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Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
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Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
I've always fancied him as someone that can provide a lot of punch off the bench. He's done that well a few times. But with our locking stocks so low he's had to be a starter.
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Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
It’s been because of diet apparently. They got his diet (timing of it) right this year and he’s been great.
Then he got injured at the end of SRA and hasn’t come back the same, plus illness I guess. Worth persevering with, but maybe from the bench.
The alternatives are a rookie or a retard. (tm Duluth)
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
It’s been because of diet apparently. They got his diet (timing of it) right this year and he’s been great.
Then he got injured at the end of SRA and hasn’t come back the same, plus illness I guess. Worth persevering with, but maybe from the bench.
The alternatives are a rookie or a retard. (tm Duluth)
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@KiwiMurph He's been one of the very few success stories this season. I'd definitely start him and drop Tuipulotu back to the bench.
