Hurricanes 2021
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@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
He thinks that if Love played for Hawkes Bay, he wouldn't have got a contract. I think there is something to that, although it isn't that simple.
Regardless, if you think Love is going to be a massive talent then you have to sign him up. You have to lock a generational talent because someone else will take him. Players in New Zealand don't move around much once they are an established Super Rugby player. The challenge is to actually get it right and identify the right players. Love does take someone else's spot who could be that generational talent.
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@Higgins lol all the decent Lions so called Hurricanes players were with the All Blacks throughout the majority of the Mitre 10 Cup. He hasn't played with them yet. He's only played with the average Canes players like Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop who I've already said aren't upto it so I don't really see your point.
@Canes4life Thank you for clarifying who the decent Wellington players that are in the Hurricanes are. Alongside the aforementioned J Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop that leaves V Aso, B Proctor, X Numia, V Fifita, W Goosen and A Fidow also rated in the not decent player category. Also rating honourable mentions must be the Lions Chiefs player N Ah Khoi and Lions Highlanders Player T Ben-Nicholas. Think F Armstrong has also signed for the Lions next season so will chuck him in there for free. C Garden-Bachop does not rate a mention as he did not play.
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@Canes4life Thank you for clarifying who the decent Wellington players that are in the Hurricanes are. Alongside the aforementioned J Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop that leaves V Aso, B Proctor, X Numia, V Fifita, W Goosen and A Fidow also rated in the not decent player category. Also rating honourable mentions must be the Lions Chiefs player N Ah Khoi and Lions Highlanders Player T Ben-Nicholas. Think F Armstrong has also signed for the Lions next season so will chuck him in there for free. C Garden-Bachop does not rate a mention as he did not play.
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@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
He thinks that if Love played for Hawkes Bay, he wouldn't have got a contract. I think there is something to that, although it isn't that simple.
Regardless, if you think Love is going to be a massive talent then you have to sign him up. You have to lock a generational talent because someone else will take him. Players in New Zealand don't move around much once they are an established Super Rugby player. The challenge is to actually get it right and identify the right players. Love does take someone else's spot who could be that generational talent.
@hydro11 yeah but you don't see me harping on about Wellington player Teariki Ben Nicholas losing out to Hawke's Bays Devan Flanders. Province only plays a small part in signings, the players still have to perform..
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@Higgins well they aren't international standard obviously which for me classifies a player as being better than the average. So Love would benefit from that won't he..
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@Canes4life Your comment was that the players he has been playing alongside are not rated by you as implied by your comment "Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him."
@Higgins said in 2021 Hurricanes:
Your comment was that the players he has been playing alongside are not rated by you as implied by your comment "Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him."
No my comment was 'I can't wait to see how he goes with better players around him'. You're just trying to manipulate what I said to suit your argument / turn it into a Wellington vs Hawkes Bay debate again. Boorring.
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@Canes4life Thank you for clarifying who the decent Wellington players that are in the Hurricanes are. Alongside the aforementioned J Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop that leaves V Aso, B Proctor, X Numia, V Fifita, W Goosen and A Fidow also rated in the not decent player category. Also rating honourable mentions must be the Lions Chiefs player N Ah Khoi and Lions Highlanders Player T Ben-Nicholas. Think F Armstrong has also signed for the Lions next season so will chuck him in there for free. C Garden-Bachop does not rate a mention as he did not play.
@Higgins said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Canes4life Thank you for clarifying who the decent Wellington players that are in the Hurricanes are. Alongside the aforementioned J Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop that leaves V Aso, B Proctor, X Numia, V Fifita, W Goosen and A Fidow also rated in the not decent player category. Also rating honourable mentions must be the Lions Chiefs player N Ah Khoi and Lions Highlanders Player T Ben-Nicholas. Think F Armstrong has also signed for the Lions next season so will chuck him in there for free. C Garden-Bachop does not rate a mention as he did not play.
Nor did Armstrong. And Id be over the moon if HB produced a good (not average) super rugby player and he signed for the Canes
But Aso was average this year (and he was signed initially from Ak). Proctor likewise. And of the ones you mentioned none were certain starters for the Canes this year. Blackwell seemed to be but hardly anyone apart from the coaches rate him -
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
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@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
Because if the Canes don't sign him another team will.
Why would another team sign him if he needs time?
@Nepia said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
Because if the Canes don't sign him another team will.
Why would another team sign him if he needs time?
So professional rugby started in the mid 90s, it's a thing.
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@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
He set the house of fire as much as Love did at the same age.
As for why the Canes annoy me, have a read of your response to @Higgins
@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@hydro11 yeah but you don't see me harping on about Wellington player Teariki Ben Nicholas losing out to Hawke's Bays Devan Flanders. Province only plays a small part in signings, the players still have to perform..
Of course you wouldn't, your province always has the bulk of the spots in the Canes. A few years ago the Magpies had nearly 15 Super players, and only 3 of them were in their home franchise the Canes (and one of them was probably Ben May).
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MANAWATU’S BRAYDEN IOSE SIGNS WITH HURRICANES UNTIL 2022
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/manawatus-brayden-iose-signs-with-hurricanes-until-2022/
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Brandon Iose signed contract with hurricanes
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MANAWATU’S BRAYDEN IOSE SIGNS WITH HURRICANES UNTIL 2022
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/manawatus-brayden-iose-signs-with-hurricanes-until-2022/
@Stargazer Damn stole my thunder...thoughts on this guy anyone I haven’t really seen enough of him to make judgement, I do know he’s been in the system the last couple of year.
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@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
He set the house of fire as much as Love did at the same age.
As for why the Canes annoy me, have a read of your response to @Higgins
@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@hydro11 yeah but you don't see me harping on about Wellington player Teariki Ben Nicholas losing out to Hawke's Bays Devan Flanders. Province only plays a small part in signings, the players still have to perform..
Of course you wouldn't, your province always has the bulk of the spots in the Canes. A few years ago the Magpies had nearly 15 Super players, and only 3 of them were in their home franchise the Canes (and one of them was probably Ben May).
@Nepia it's because we are the big brother province in the Hurricanes. It's the same case with the likes of Northland/North Harbour with Auckland or Counties/BOP with Waikato. The bigger provinces are always going to get more players in their franchises.
Funny how you don't mention last year when there was a good representation of HB players in the Canes - May, Walker-Leawere, Rakete-Stones, Flanders, Evans, Lowe and Toala.
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@Stargazer Damn stole my thunder...thoughts on this guy anyone I haven’t really seen enough of him to make judgement, I do know he’s been in the system the last couple of year.
@mikey07 he's a good solid player. I wonder if they've signed him as an 8 or 7.. Probably similar to the Ardie Savea mould, not the biggest at 8 but he's powerful and has a high skillset.
Hopefully he's taken Taramais spot.
So that's our loose forwards sorted for next year. Not much size looking at the list, the Canes are obviously looking to play up tempo next year.
- Gareth Evans
- Ardie Savea
- Devan Flanders
- Du Plessis Kirifi
- Brayden Iose
- Vaea Fifita
- Reed Prinsep
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@Stargazer Damn stole my thunder...thoughts on this guy anyone I haven’t really seen enough of him to make judgement, I do know he’s been in the system the last couple of year.
@mikey07 Iose hasn't played much over the last few years because of injury, so I've not seen much of him in recent games. He looked promising when I saw him play, but not Flanders-like promising, if you get what I mean. I wonder whether he replaces Taramai? I think I saw on instagram that he's on the move (MLR??). I may be wrong about that though.
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@mikey07 he's a good solid player. I wonder if they've signed him as an 8 or 7.. Probably similar to the Ardie Savea mould, not the biggest at 8 but he's powerful and has a high skillset.
Hopefully he's taken Taramais spot.
So that's our loose forwards sorted for next year. Not much size looking at the list, the Canes are obviously looking to play up tempo next year.
- Gareth Evans
- Ardie Savea
- Devan Flanders
- Du Plessis Kirifi
- Brayden Iose
- Vaea Fifita
- Reed Prinsep
@Canes4life Taramai hasn’t been resigned so that’s awesome
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@mikey07 Iose hasn't played much over the last few years because of injury, so I've not seen much of him in recent games. He looked promising when I saw him play, but not Flanders-like promising, if you get what I mean. I wonder whether he replaces Taramai? I think I saw on instagram that he's on the move (MLR??). I may be wrong about that though.
@Stargazer I get what you mean, in my defence I hadn’t heard of Flanders before he got signed but I can definitely see the promise now
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So the Canes need:
- two more halfbacks (one as a replacement for Booth)
- 1 lock (assuming that will be Isaia Walker-Leawere)
- 1 prop
- 1 outside back (hopefully that's Salesi Rayasi)
- 1 First five / or 1 outside back (depending where they want to use Ruben Love)
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@Canes4life If you guys are correct Tofa will take the outside back spot, Rakete-Stones should get an extension as he will only get better with age.I’m kinda hoping we can get Lord just for his height unfortunately IWL will miss out which sucks as I’d rather have him them Blackwell.
As for the 9s Campbell and Collins as a replacement
