Hurricanes 2021
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@Winger Just a little odd that both long-term signings were competing for fullback berth with Wellington, and Jordie, Tiatia and Toala already play there for Canes. So, I assume Love is intended as a 10 in place of Smith
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@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS said in 2021 Hurricanes:
Another coup for the Canes, after Billy Procter and Julian Savea. No room for Fletcher Smith now
Or Lincoln McClutchie.
Canes need to find a good super rugby first 5. Not another adequate option. we've got 2 already. One who isn't even a starter at NPC level
@Winger Sometimes McClutchie starts, sometimes he doesn't. There seem to be tactical reasons for that, just like they prefer to bring on IWL and Evans from the bench. McClutchie has the potential to become much better than the first fives signed by the Canes. He's ready for that step up IMO, unlike Love.
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS said in 2021 Hurricanes:
Jordie, Tiatia and Toala
Tiatia. No thanks. And when has Toala played FB for the Canes. His only start was at 2nd 5
Not for the Canes, but he has played a lot at fullback for Hastings Boys and his game for NZU20s. He was excellent from the back. He also has a good boot.
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Didn't notice the word "yet" in my response?
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@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
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@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
@Nepia said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
Because if the Canes don't sign him another team will.
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@Nepia said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
Because if the Canes don't sign him another team will.
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
Because if the Canes don't sign him another team will.
Why would another team sign him if he needs time?
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At 19 Love already looks like a strong prospect. He was one of the shining lights for Wellington this year. Sound on attack, fearless on defence even playing at 15 and seems to be one of those players that pops up at the right moments.
Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him.
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At 19 Love already looks like a strong prospect. He was one of the shining lights for Wellington this year. Sound on attack, fearless on defence even playing at 15 and seems to be one of those players that pops up at the right moments.
Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him.
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At 19 Love already looks like a strong prospect. He was one of the shining lights for Wellington this year. Sound on attack, fearless on defence even playing at 15 and seems to be one of those players that pops up at the right moments.
Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him.
@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
At 19 Love already looks like a strong prospect. He was one of the shining lights for Wellington this year. Sound on attack, fearless on defence even playing at 15 and seems to be one of those players that pops up at the right moments.
Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him.
You could have said the exact same things about McClutchie when he was 19 ... except he came from the wrong province for you to see how he goes with better players around him.
Hmmm, i can’t decide whether the Canes or the Warriors annoy me more at the moment.
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@Canes4life You seem to have forgotten that a lot of those players around him at Mitre 10 Cup level for Wellington are also Hurricanes. Are you finally conceding that those said Wellington players are not "better players"?
@Higgins lol all the decent Lions so called Hurricanes players were with the All Blacks throughout the majority of the Mitre 10 Cup. He hasn't played with them yet. He's only played with the average Canes players like Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop who I've already said aren't upto it so I don't really see your point.
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@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
At 19 Love already looks like a strong prospect. He was one of the shining lights for Wellington this year. Sound on attack, fearless on defence even playing at 15 and seems to be one of those players that pops up at the right moments.
Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him.
You could have said the exact same things about McClutchie when he was 19 ... except he came from the wrong province for you to see how he goes with better players around him.
Hmmm, i can’t decide whether the Canes or the Warriors annoy me more at the moment.
@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
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@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
He thinks that if Love played for Hawkes Bay, he wouldn't have got a contract. I think there is something to that, although it isn't that simple.
Regardless, if you think Love is going to be a massive talent then you have to sign him up. You have to lock a generational talent because someone else will take him. Players in New Zealand don't move around much once they are an established Super Rugby player. The challenge is to actually get it right and identify the right players. Love does take someone else's spot who could be that generational talent.
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@Higgins lol all the decent Lions so called Hurricanes players were with the All Blacks throughout the majority of the Mitre 10 Cup. He hasn't played with them yet. He's only played with the average Canes players like Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop who I've already said aren't upto it so I don't really see your point.
@Canes4life Thank you for clarifying who the decent Wellington players that are in the Hurricanes are. Alongside the aforementioned J Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop that leaves V Aso, B Proctor, X Numia, V Fifita, W Goosen and A Fidow also rated in the not decent player category. Also rating honourable mentions must be the Lions Chiefs player N Ah Khoi and Lions Highlanders Player T Ben-Nicholas. Think F Armstrong has also signed for the Lions next season so will chuck him in there for free. C Garden-Bachop does not rate a mention as he did not play.
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@Canes4life Thank you for clarifying who the decent Wellington players that are in the Hurricanes are. Alongside the aforementioned J Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop that leaves V Aso, B Proctor, X Numia, V Fifita, W Goosen and A Fidow also rated in the not decent player category. Also rating honourable mentions must be the Lions Chiefs player N Ah Khoi and Lions Highlanders Player T Ben-Nicholas. Think F Armstrong has also signed for the Lions next season so will chuck him in there for free. C Garden-Bachop does not rate a mention as he did not play.
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@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
He thinks that if Love played for Hawkes Bay, he wouldn't have got a contract. I think there is something to that, although it isn't that simple.
Regardless, if you think Love is going to be a massive talent then you have to sign him up. You have to lock a generational talent because someone else will take him. Players in New Zealand don't move around much once they are an established Super Rugby player. The challenge is to actually get it right and identify the right players. Love does take someone else's spot who could be that generational talent.
@hydro11 yeah but you don't see me harping on about Wellington player Teariki Ben Nicholas losing out to Hawke's Bays Devan Flanders. Province only plays a small part in signings, the players still have to perform..
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@Higgins well they aren't international standard obviously which for me classifies a player as being better than the average. So Love would benefit from that won't he..
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@Canes4life Your comment was that the players he has been playing alongside are not rated by you as implied by your comment "Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him."
@Higgins said in 2021 Hurricanes:
Your comment was that the players he has been playing alongside are not rated by you as implied by your comment "Can’t wait to see how he goes with better players around him."
No my comment was 'I can't wait to see how he goes with better players around him'. You're just trying to manipulate what I said to suit your argument / turn it into a Wellington vs Hawkes Bay debate again. Boorring.
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@Canes4life Thank you for clarifying who the decent Wellington players that are in the Hurricanes are. Alongside the aforementioned J Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop that leaves V Aso, B Proctor, X Numia, V Fifita, W Goosen and A Fidow also rated in the not decent player category. Also rating honourable mentions must be the Lions Chiefs player N Ah Khoi and Lions Highlanders Player T Ben-Nicholas. Think F Armstrong has also signed for the Lions next season so will chuck him in there for free. C Garden-Bachop does not rate a mention as he did not play.
@Higgins said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Canes4life Thank you for clarifying who the decent Wellington players that are in the Hurricanes are. Alongside the aforementioned J Blackwell and J Garden-Bachop that leaves V Aso, B Proctor, X Numia, V Fifita, W Goosen and A Fidow also rated in the not decent player category. Also rating honourable mentions must be the Lions Chiefs player N Ah Khoi and Lions Highlanders Player T Ben-Nicholas. Think F Armstrong has also signed for the Lions next season so will chuck him in there for free. C Garden-Bachop does not rate a mention as he did not play.
Nor did Armstrong. And Id be over the moon if HB produced a good (not average) super rugby player and he signed for the Canes
But Aso was average this year (and he was signed initially from Ak). Proctor likewise. And of the ones you mentioned none were certain starters for the Canes this year. Blackwell seemed to be but hardly anyone apart from the coaches rate him -
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
Because if the Canes don't sign him another team will.
Why would another team sign him if he needs time?
@Nepia said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Winger said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@ARHS He must be a long-term project though, because he's no where near SR quality, yet.
Hes 19. give him time.
Well that’s the fucking point, why’s he getting selected if he needs time?
Because if the Canes don't sign him another team will.
Why would another team sign him if he needs time?
So professional rugby started in the mid 90s, it's a thing.
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@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@Nepia this is pretty funny. Hawkes Bay don't even think he's good enough to start in the 10 jersey, what makes you think McClutchie is good enough for a Super contract. He hasn't set the house on fire so far...
Why do the Canes annoy you?
He set the house of fire as much as Love did at the same age.
As for why the Canes annoy me, have a read of your response to @Higgins
@Canes4life said in 2021 Hurricanes:
@hydro11 yeah but you don't see me harping on about Wellington player Teariki Ben Nicholas losing out to Hawke's Bays Devan Flanders. Province only plays a small part in signings, the players still have to perform..
Of course you wouldn't, your province always has the bulk of the spots in the Canes. A few years ago the Magpies had nearly 15 Super players, and only 3 of them were in their home franchise the Canes (and one of them was probably Ben May).
