Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Take by the Roar: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/20/what-ails-the-all-blacks-marginal-pack-decline/
Was Patty T still recovering from mystery illness? Know Scooter was being 'rested' but if Pa T was he shouldn't have started.
He’s not playing like he was for the Blues that’s for sure.
The Savea and Frizzel analysis was pretty damning too. We are playing the wrong people there, Frizzel is just not good enough.
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Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
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Another article, right about Foster's team
Argentina, Wallabies losses reveal All Blacks' attitude problem under Ian Foster | Matt McIlraith
The calamity a nation feared is reality, and Foster’s appointment has cost New Zealand Rugby dearly
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
I've always fancied him as someone that can provide a lot of punch off the bench. He's done that well a few times. But with our locking stocks so low he's had to be a starter.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Pat T has been given a lot of chances at the international level but he just hasn't fronted for some reason. He has been at the heart of some poor forward shows (Chicago, Sydney...).
It’s been because of diet apparently. They got his diet (timing of it) right this year and he’s been great.
Then he got injured at the end of SRA and hasn’t come back the same, plus illness I guess. Worth persevering with, but maybe from the bench.
The alternatives are a rookie or a retard. (tm Duluth)
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@KiwiMurph He's been one of the very few success stories this season. I'd definitely start him and drop Tuipulotu back to the bench.
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@Machpants said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Another article, right about Foster's team
Argentina, Wallabies losses reveal All Blacks' attitude problem under Ian Foster | Matt McIlraith
The calamity a nation feared is reality, and Foster’s appointment has cost New Zealand Rugby dearly
Well they certainly don't read the Fern.
"The national calamity – feared, if largely unspoken about, since the underwhelming appointment of Steve Hansen’s former assistant late last year – has become a reality."
I'm actually a bit tired of "speaking about it".
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it did say unspoken, not unwritten.
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
it did say unspoken, not unwritten.
An awful lot of people that I know are talking about it. Family, friends, staff. Can barely have a conversation without the topic being raised.
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ah well there is only so far even I will go to defend a badly written article.
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I'm sorry going back to that game last week but the backline was faster without JB, he can't catch a ball in the midfield on the run, because he was not expecting it, what was he there for, late-night security?
We need a more dynamic runner in midfield. We really really do.
Benched far too late, Patty T was there or thereabouts but he so seldom really pushes, where is his go forward? Ok in the lineouts but he just does not seem to use his weight. Even with the pushover try he fell off the back because it was Sotutu and Taylor doing all the work.
Sotutu-has to start, most dominating AB forward. Ardie is out of position and just not big enough or strong enough.
McKenzie looks so fast but I always worry about his ball security.
Why did they not kick behind the Argies earlier? Their backs look far more fragile than their forwards. Oh and Matera was great at the steal but Kremer is a beast. Their hooker was excellent, I was amazed at his fitness considering that belly.
We lost on pivotal 50-50 mistakes, a slip by Smith, bad kicking by Richie, (and BB I think). Our basic skills are perhaps not as solid as we would like to think Shame we could not have used that 70+ minute intensity earlier.
And quite a few cynical neck rolls by the Argies. Never got picked up. But the way they defended, the quality of their tackling wow. We never had that level of dominant tackling and were wrecked at the breakdown. Until Sotutu started. Nope, I still can't understand why Sotutu is not starting. And Frizell tried, but would you have wanted him there or Akira?
Summary: Again a very reactive team performance until it was too late. I still cannot see this magical Foster vision. -
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Squidge Rugby has his video up. Interesting point about Frizell in that argie try
Disgusting by Frizell. Lazy bugger. Akira must play 6.
My God, the All Blacks stank last week. Worst performance by the Men in Black for over 25 years IMHO.
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@NTA genuinely not sour grapes, but it was interesting to see the final Matera penalty was as clear a hands on the ground, then roll back to the ball as you'll see. And Squidge just ignores it ...
still a good video though. Everyone loves an underdog. It did make me think we were closet at times, but just couldn't actually hold on to the ball - so we were well below our attacking best, Argies were sensational, and overall we got beaten up. This seems like a dumb rugby team, with a lack of collective nous.
Take the three should be our mantra - kicking for the corner is often some macho bollocks that doesn't pay off with modern defences. Scoreboard pressure opens up games too.
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
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@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA genuinely not sour grapes, but it was interesting to see the final Matera penalty was as clear a hands on the ground, then roll back to the ball as you'll see. And Squidge just ignores it ...
still a good video though. Everyone loves an underdog. It did make me think we were closet at times, but just couldn't actually hold on to the ball - so we were well below our attacking best, Argies were sensational, and overall we got beaten up. This seems like a dumb rugby team, with a lack of collective nous.
Take the three should be our mantra - kicking for the corner is often some macho bollocks that doesn't pay off with modern defences. Scoreboard pressure opens up games too.
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
I thought exactly same about Matera penalty.
Frizell trip was really poor.
Aoane/Sotutu for Puma 2.
