2020 Māori All Blacks
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Forgive my ignorance: I would have thought Cook Island Māori heritage is irrelevant for Māori All Black selection?
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Forgive my ignorance: I would have thought Cook Island Māori heritage is irrelevant for Māori All Black selection?
@nostrildamus said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
Forgive my ignorance: I would have thought Cook Island Māori heritage is irrelevant for Māori All Black selection?
Has it always been the case ?
im not sure of the exact technicalities either but cook islands maori are from the same heritage and they are NZ citizens so i guess why not ?
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@nostrildamus said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
Forgive my ignorance: I would have thought Cook Island Māori heritage is irrelevant for Māori All Black selection?
Has it always been the case ?
im not sure of the exact technicalities either but cook islands maori are from the same heritage and they are NZ citizens so i guess why not ?
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Moana Pasifika squad
Forwards: Alamanda Motuga (Counties Manukau, Tonga), Daniel Lienert-Brown (Canterbury, Highlanders, Samoa), Gerard Cowley-Tuioti (North Harbour, Blues, Samoa), Jordan Lay (Bay of Plenty, Bristol, Samoa), Leni Apisai (Auckland, Samoa/Tuvalu), Marino Mikaele-Tu’u (Hawkes Bay, Highlanders, Samoa), Michael Alaalatoa (Manawatu, Crusaders, Samoa), Naitoa Ah Kuoi (Wellington, Chiefs, Samoa), Nasi Manu (Otago, Tonga), Pita Gus Sowakula (Taranaki, Chiefs, Fiji), Samipeni Finau (Waikato, Tonga) Samisoni Taukieaho (Waikato, Chiefs, Tonga), Sione Mafielo (North Harbour, Blues, Tonga), Zane Kapeli (Bay of Plenty, Tonga).
Backs: Asaeli Tikoroituma (North Harbour, Fiji), Dwyane Polataivao ( Ta$man, Utah Warriors, Samoa), Etene Nanai-Seturo (Counties Manukau, Chiefs, Samoa), Fetuli Paea ( Ta$man, Highlanders Tonga), Folau Fakatava (Hawke’s Bay, Highlanders, Tonga), Jone Macilai (Northland, Fiji), Josh Ioane (Otago, Highlanders, NZ/Samoa), Leicester Fainga’anuku ( Ta$man, Crusaders, Tonga), Salesi Rayasi (Auckland, Hurricanes, Fiji/Samoa), Stephen Perofeta (Taranaki, Blues, Samoa), Tomasi Alosio (Wellington, Samoa), Vince Aso (Wellington, Hurricanes, Samoa)
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@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
@Yeetyaah said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
So does a Cook Islands Maori have Maori whakapapa ?
Genuine question because I don’t know , not saying you are wrong by the way.
My understanding is he must have that plus be a representative of New Zealand rugby union and have Maori whakapapa .
Very different to English selection
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Moana Pasifika squad
Forwards: Alamanda Motuga (Counties Manukau, Tonga), Daniel Lienert-Brown (Canterbury, Highlanders, Samoa), Gerard Cowley-Tuioti (North Harbour, Blues, Samoa), Jordan Lay (Bay of Plenty, Bristol, Samoa), Leni Apisai (Auckland, Samoa/Tuvalu), Marino Mikaele-Tu’u (Hawkes Bay, Highlanders, Samoa), Michael Alaalatoa (Manawatu, Crusaders, Samoa), Naitoa Ah Kuoi (Wellington, Chiefs, Samoa), Nasi Manu (Otago, Tonga), Pita Gus Sowakula (Taranaki, Chiefs, Fiji), Samipeni Finau (Waikato, Tonga) Samisoni Taukieaho (Waikato, Chiefs, Tonga), Sione Mafielo (North Harbour, Blues, Tonga), Zane Kapeli (Bay of Plenty, Tonga).
Backs: Asaeli Tikoroituma (North Harbour, Fiji), Dwyane Polataivao ( Ta$man, Utah Warriors, Samoa), Etene Nanai-Seturo (Counties Manukau, Chiefs, Samoa), Fetuli Paea ( Ta$man, Highlanders Tonga), Folau Fakatava (Hawke’s Bay, Highlanders, Tonga), Jone Macilai (Northland, Fiji), Josh Ioane (Otago, Highlanders, NZ/Samoa), Leicester Fainga’anuku ( Ta$man, Crusaders, Tonga), Salesi Rayasi (Auckland, Hurricanes, Fiji/Samoa), Stephen Perofeta (Taranaki, Blues, Samoa), Tomasi Alosio (Wellington, Samoa), Vince Aso (Wellington, Hurricanes, Samoa)
@Bovidae I find the addition of countries by Stuff a bit weird. It suggests that all of them are eligible to play for those nations, which isn't true. The language nerd in me says they should have used the adjective instead to indicate heritage (Tongan, instead of Tonga, etc).
Here's the official media release, by the way:
https://www.allblacks.com/news/historic-first-squad-for-moana-pasifika-unveiled -
That is a very strong Moana Pasifika squad but not reflective of what their 2022 SR squad could look like. The vast majority are already contracted to NZ teams.
Yep! I had a quick look and I think - without knowing who exactly will have a SR contract for 2021 - only Alamanda Motuga * (Counties Manukau), Jordan Lay * (Bay of Plenty), Leni Apisai (Auckland), Nasi Manu * (Otago), Samipeni Finau (Waikato), Asaeli Tikoroituma * (North Harbour), Dwyane Polataivao * ( Ta$man), Jone Macilai (Northland) and Tomasi Alosio **(Wellington) would be available for the Moana Pasifika SR side if it would play in 2021. That list may be different in 2022, though.
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@Yeetyaah said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
So does a Cook Islands Maori have Maori whakapapa ?
Genuine question because I don’t know , not saying you are wrong by the way.
My understanding is he must have that plus be a representative of New Zealand rugby union and have Maori whakapapa .
Very different to English selection
@kiwiinmelb I also don't have the answer, but my guess would be that a player must have New Zealand Maori heritage, not just Maori heritage. I don't think citizenship changes that. Cook Islands and NZ are still different countries, despite Cook Islanders being entitled to NZ citizenship.
@Yeetyaah said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
Not all Pakeha. Not all of them have English or even UK heritage, but I'm inclined to agree with the "no".
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@kiwiinmelb I also don't have the answer, but my guess would be that a player must have New Zealand Maori heritage, not just Maori heritage. I don't think citizenship changes that. Cook Islands and NZ are still different countries, despite Cook Islanders being entitled to NZ citizenship.
@Yeetyaah said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
Not all Pakeha. Not all of them have English or even UK heritage, but I'm inclined to agree with the "no".
@Stargazer said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb I also don't have the answer, but my guess would be that a player must have New Zealand Maori heritage, not just Maori heritage. I don't think citizenship changes that. Cook Islands and NZ are still different countries, despite Cook Islanders being entitled to NZ citizenship.
@Yeetyaah said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
Not all Pakeha. Not all of them have English or even UK heritage, but I'm inclined to agree with the "no".
yep get that part on the citizenship , so I guess it comes down to the genealogy if the player was NZ qualified , and you are probably right
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@kiwiinmelb I also don't have the answer, but my guess would be that a player must have New Zealand Maori heritage, not just Maori heritage. I don't think citizenship changes that. Cook Islands and NZ are still different countries, despite Cook Islanders being entitled to NZ citizenship.
@Yeetyaah said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
Not all Pakeha. Not all of them have English or even UK heritage, but I'm inclined to agree with the "no".
@Stargazer said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
Not all Pakeha. Not all of them have English or even UK heritage
Part of my point.
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pretty sweet jersey
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@Yeetyaah said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
So does a Cook Islands Maori have Maori whakapapa ?
Genuine question because I don’t know , not saying you are wrong by the way.
My understanding is he must have that plus be a representative of New Zealand rugby union and have Maori whakapapa .
Very different to English selection
@kiwiinmelb said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@Yeetyaah said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb no. Imagine saying all Pākeha are eligible for selection for the English team? It's a completely different country and the languages do have differences.
So does a Cook Islands Maori have Maori whakapapa ?
Genuine question because I don’t know , not saying you are wrong by the way.
My understanding is he must have that plus be a representative of New Zealand rugby union and have Maori whakapapa .
Very different to English selection
As @Stargazer notes - no. Don't let the term 'Maori' fool you, best just to think of them as Cook Islanders/Cookies, like Samoans and Tongans.
The only way they're eligible for the NZ Maori team is if they have NZ Maori whakapapa as well.
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So we can scratch Leni Apisai and Josh Ioane from the list of potential Maori All Blacks for this game.
@Stargazer said in 2020 Māori All Blacks:
So we can scratch Leni Apisai and Josh Ioane from the list of potential Maori All Blacks for this game.
I wonder if they got to choose or if they were assigned one squad or the other?
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That's a bloody good Pacifica team they've put together!!!
It's a wonder that they don't also pick a 'NZ European' or 'safe skinny white boy' team to give the Maori All Blacks another game.... probably don't want to risk being seen as racist though huh?
