What’s out there at Second Five?
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Tupaea has the talent but he goes missing sometimes. He blows hot and cold but he is still very young. Let's see what he can do with more experience next year.
The same applies to Tele'a who is the biggest 2nd Five in NZ. He is fast, too but his distribution is not top notch.@cgrant said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Tupaea has the talent but he goes missing sometimes. He blows hot and cold but he is still very young. Let's see what he can do with more experience next year.
IMO he has been played out of position for both Waikato and the Chiefs. Having watched a lot of Quinn since his schoolboy days I think he is better suited to 2nd 5 rather than centre because he is a direct runner who can distribute. Tupaea started a lot more for the Chiefs this season than even he would have been expecting to.
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@nzzp said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I'm not picking on Ngani here.
Well it certainly looked like you were saying he doesn't try to enhance any of his skills, is lazy and doesn't train...
He had a fantastic SRA and was on fire in the NPC before they dragged him off, showing a range of skills and some very deft touches with the boot.
I get a funny feeling he was given a tight game plan for the ABs and did as he was told.
@Bones said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@nzzp said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I'm not picking on Ngani here.
Well it certainly looked like you were saying he doesn't try to enhance any of his skills, is lazy and doesn't train...
that's a long bow to draw.
Was more of a grumpy old man rant at all professional players - kicking is such a useful skill to have, there's no excuse in my brain to not be working on it. Over time, it must get better - and when you have to pull one out in a game, it won't be terrible.
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@Bones said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@nzzp said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I'm not picking on Ngani here.
Well it certainly looked like you were saying he doesn't try to enhance any of his skills, is lazy and doesn't train...
that's a long bow to draw.
Was more of a grumpy old man rant at all professional players - kicking is such a useful skill to have, there's no excuse in my brain to not be working on it. Over time, it must get better - and when you have to pull one out in a game, it won't be terrible.
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@Bones said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@nzzp said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I'm not picking on Ngani here.
Well it certainly looked like you were saying he doesn't try to enhance any of his skills, is lazy and doesn't train...
that's a long bow to draw.
Was more of a grumpy old man rant at all professional players - kicking is such a useful skill to have, there's no excuse in my brain to not be working on it. Over time, it must get better - and when you have to pull one out in a game, it won't be terrible.
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@Higgins well I didnt recognise any of the names I saw on FB as being any of our coaches, but I guess online we can be whoever we want.
@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Higgins well I didnt recognise any of the names I saw on FB as being any of our coaches, but I guess online we can be whoever we want.
I know we have low expectations of Fozzie but surely he could work out how to post under someone elses name? Even if it's just by using his missus account...
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@cgrant said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Tupaea has the talent but he goes missing sometimes. He blows hot and cold but he is still very young. Let's see what he can do with more experience next year.
IMO he has been played out of position for both Waikato and the Chiefs. Having watched a lot of Quinn since his schoolboy days I think he is better suited to 2nd 5 rather than centre because he is a direct runner who can distribute. Tupaea started a lot more for the Chiefs this season than even he would have been expecting to.
@Bovidae but has he picked up injuries along the way? e.g. concussions and collision injuries He doesn't seem quite so keen to hit and run hard as often as when he burst on to the scene. Is that maybe why the migration to centre?
I like the look of Tua from Northland.
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@Bovidae but has he picked up injuries along the way? e.g. concussions and collision injuries He doesn't seem quite so keen to hit and run hard as often as when he burst on to the scene. Is that maybe why the migration to centre?
I like the look of Tua from Northland.
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Shame. There won't be much midfield depth in super rugby if any more injuries. I think Poihipi, Tofa, Timu, J Little, Garland and maybe Fomai could make the step up, but none are absolute 'must picks'.
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@Bovidae but has he picked up injuries along the way? e.g. concussions and collision injuries He doesn't seem quite so keen to hit and run hard as often as when he burst on to the scene. Is that maybe why the migration to centre?
I like the look of Tua from Northland.
@ARHS said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Bovidae but has he picked up injuries along the way? e.g. concussions and collision injuries He doesn't seem quite so keen to hit and run hard as often as when he burst on to the scene. Is that maybe why the migration to centre?
I'm not aware of any major injuries, although he did acknowledge that SR was tough (mentally and physically). For the Chiefs, Tupaea played at centre because they obviously wanted ALB at 2nd 5, and ended up on the wing occasionally if injuries struck. That doesn't explain why he and Sullivan were supposedly playing in the wrong positions for Waikato. Only the coaches know that reason.
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@ARHS said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I like the look of Tua from Northland.
Unfortunately he's set to miss super rugby due to surgery recovery.
@Tim said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@ARHS said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I like the look of Tua from Northland.
Unfortunately he's set to miss super rugby due to surgery recovery.
I bet he provides the kind of punch the selectors are looking for
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@ARHS said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Bovidae but has he picked up injuries along the way? e.g. concussions and collision injuries He doesn't seem quite so keen to hit and run hard as often as when he burst on to the scene. Is that maybe why the migration to centre?
I'm not aware of any major injuries, although he did acknowledge that SR was tough (mentally and physically). For the Chiefs, Tupaea played at centre because they obviously wanted ALB at 2nd 5, and ended up on the wing occasionally if injuries struck. That doesn't explain why he and Sullivan were supposedly playing in the wrong positions for Waikato. Only the coaches know that reason.
@Bovidae said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@ARHS said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Bovidae but has he picked up injuries along the way? e.g. concussions and collision injuries He doesn't seem quite so keen to hit and run hard as often as when he burst on to the scene. Is that maybe why the migration to centre?
I'm not aware of any major injuries, although he did acknowledge that SR was tough (mentally and physically). For the Chiefs, Tupaea played at centre because they obviously wanted ALB at 2nd 5, and ended up on the wing occasionally if injuries struck. That doesn't explain why he and Sullivan were supposedly playing in the wrong positions for Waikato. Only the coaches know that reason.
That one is really frustrating, and I agree that I'd like to see him used closer to the action. Let's hope that the Chiefs coaches are reading your posts...
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@Chester-Draws said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I'm not convinced a primarily crash ball merchant is that useful in international rugby. They can all tackle, no matter how big their opponent. What works at Super level isn't what works at test level. If you want to crash in mid-field the get your big wingers to do it.
So I think we can write Jordie Barrett out of that option with Foster. He'd already be doing it from wing if Foster thought a big man going up the middle is what he wanted. Actually, I think it might be a good move for a change -- and better than hoofing it high yet one more time -- but adding a player just to do that is a non-starter.
(And Nonu developed his game while he wasn't an AB. They dropped him as midfielder because all he offered was bash, and only picked him again after he worked on the other parts of his game. Picking a guy and developing him in the position while excluding better players that option is just daft. Why not play ALB and teach him to offload like SBW? Or pick Goodhue and put 10 kgs on him and make him a master crash man? Just saying those things makes them sound stupid. But teaching a guy whose been around years to develop an all-round game is sensible?)
Mate, did you watch the opening minutes of our RWC semi final?
@junior said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Mate, did you watch the opening minutes of our RWC semi final?
We should use the crash on the fact in one game we failed to tackle well? That's bizarre.
(We just watched a series of games where all the Argies did was smash it up, and it proved singularly uneffective. Luckily for them, our strategy was worse, but that does not make theirs good. )
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Back on topic, the short answer is fuck-all, isn't it?
That's why they've been trying to shoe-horn Goodhue in there all year. They picked the wrong one of the two good midfielders to move, but you can see the reasoning at least. Can't see any reasoning in the outside backs.
Laumape deserved a shot on form but was injured, then got one go and didn't do much outside an out of position fullback and one of the worst AB halfback performances you could ever hope not to see. I'm not a fan of his style of play, but that's pretty harsh on a bloke who has been a real stand-out at the level below, and made a number of his team-mates look pretty stupid this year.
I would have assumed most of them do, but most of them are probably given instruction on what's expected of them on the field and it probably doesn't always include kicking...
