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  • No QuarterN Offline
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    <p>For the record I am not in favour of denying <em>anybody</em> access to the health system, that's crazy. Saying we need to do something about obesity does not mean we kick overweight people out in the cold.</p>
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    <p>And the impact is not just to the health system. I'd say the more important impacts are quality of life and loss of life.</p>
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    <p>If a kid grows up overweight with diabetes their quality of life is hugely impacted. It is not a kids "choice" to be overweight, they can't make that decision themselves. If a kid is overweight it is 100% the parents choice - is it OK for a parent to fuck with their child's health? It is bordering on neglect in a lot of situations.</p>
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    <p>OR</p>
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    <p>If you lose a loved one to heart disease because they spent their life eating and drinking crap that has a pretty bloody big impact on you, regardless of your own health. If a kid loses their parents early for the same reasons, again, big impact.</p>
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    <p>All of this is very easily preventable. That is what is frustrating about it. Yes I believe in freedom of choice, but I also believe that if you are going to live in a society with all the benefits that brings, then you have a responsibility to contribute to it as well. Too many people take what we have for granted and just think "I CAN DO WHAT I WANT!!" which is a fucking shitty attitude. People that think it's OK to be overweight, just like people that don't vaccinate their kids, are actively taxing on a society that has provided them a high quality of life.</p>
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    <p>I don't think taxing sugary drinks is going to make any difference at all. It needs to be a change in culture that says it's not OK to be obese. The "Fat Shaming" movement is a pile of fucking crap. The more people normalise being a fat shit the more people will become fat shits. The only way smoking rates have fallen is because of a shift in culture where smokers are now looked at as polluting the air with their disgusting smoke.</p>
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    <p>Education is key. Put it as a subject in schools if you have too. Make sure our kids know that it is not OK to be obese and that if you are, then you need to take some responsibility and do something about it.</p>

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    <p>Didn't think it warranted a thread of its own (but maybe we need a NZ Politics one...)</p>
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    <p>It'd be awesome if Labour can magic up the money to pay me an extra $200 or so a week to do what I do, my wife could give up work with her $200 as well, cos working as she does to fit inside school hours we'd be better off, especially as we would then not have to spend about $75 per day over the holidays for child care!</p>
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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/78100200/labour-party-considering-universal-income-of-11000-a-year-for-all-kiwis'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/78100200/labour-party-considering-universal-income-of-11000-a-year-for-all-kiwis</a></p>
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    <p>Labour Party considering 'universal income' of $11,000 a year for all Kiwis  </p>
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    <p><span>SAM SACHDEVA</span></p>
    <p><span>Last updated 14:26, March 21 2016</span></p>
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    <p>The Labour Party is looking into the idea of a universal income of $11,000 a year for all New Zealanders.</p>
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    <p>A proposal to pay every adult Kiwi more than $200 a week as a "universal income" from the Government is being considered by the Labour Party.</p>
    <p>A <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/4208/attachments/original/1458272685/Background_Paper_-_A_Universal_Basic_Income_for_New_Zealand.pdf?1458272685'>discussion paper</a> from the party has mooted the idea of a universal income, where every adult New Zealander would receive $11,000 a year ($211 a week) in exchange for scrapping many current welfare payments.</p>
    <p>The proposal is part of the party's Future of Work Commission, a project to look at the impact of new technologies on careers and the workforce.</p>
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    <p>Labour finance spokesman Grant Robertson says it is looking into how to best provide income support to Kiwis as their careers come under threat from new technologies.</p>
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    <p>The discussion paper says a universal income would help to remove the insecurity associated with low wages or insufficient welfare benefits, which bred "personal shame, stress, [and] mental health problems".</p>
    <p><strong>READ MORE:<br>

    • <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78022945/gareth-morgan-says-labour-doesnt-have-the-balls-for-a-coherent-ubi-policy'>Gareth Morgan: Labour 'lacks balls' for universal income</a><br>
    • <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/77710601/Labour-leader-Andrew-Little-promises-debate-on-universal-basic-income'>Little promises universal income debate</a><br>
      * <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/68175976/Labour-rolls-up-sleeves-to-tackle-the-future-of-work' title="">Labour rolls up sleeves to tackle the future of work</a><br>
      * <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/68235960/workers-face-a-mobile-uberstyle-future' title="">Workers face a mobile, Uber-style future</a></strong><br>
    • <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/74841946/finland-wants-to-pay-all-citizens-basic-income-of-800-a-month'>Finland wants to pay its citizens a basic income of €800 a month</a></p>
      <p>"New Zealanders would have more time to devote to creative work and their family, rather than worrying about keeping a roof over their heads."</p>
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      <p>The paper says a universal income could also encourage increased entrepreneurship, reduce the stigma from being on welfare, make it easier for people to retrain, and create a more efficient tax and welfare system.</p>
      <p>However, it acknowledges a number of criticisms, including whether a universal income could provide enough money for recipients without being unaffordable, and whether it would make it less likely for people to work.</p>
      <p>Some would also think it unfair to provide the same amount of money to "vulnerable and privileged people alike", which meant additional payments to those "in real need" would have to be considered.</p>
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      <p>Economist Gareth Morgan has questioned whether Labour has "the balls" to implement a universal income policy.</p>
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      <p>Universal income trials in Alaska, India and other places showed the idea was achievable, the paper says, although there was an "urgent need for more data".</p>
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      <p><strong>'PRECARIOUS WORK, INSECURE WORK'</strong></p>
      <p>Labour finance spokesman Grant Robertson, who is chairing the Future of Work Commission, said the party had not yet decided whether a universal income would be part of its policy for the 2017 election, but it was "actively considering" the idea.</p>
      <p>"There's a lot more people in precarious work, insecure work, there's likely to be people moving in and out of work more often in the future...there's a lot more instability in the environment and we are looking at different models of what will provide income security through that period of change."</p>
      <p>Robertson said the party still needed to weigh up the pros and cons of a universal income, including its likely cost and whether "top-ups" to some people would be necessary, as well as other ways to provide income security.</p>
      <p>Labour would spend the rest of the year looking at the proposals, and others from the commission, before announcing policies sometime before the election.</p>
      <p><strong>'TOO MUCH OF A CHALLENGE'</strong></p>
      <p>Economist Gareth Morgan, who supports the idea of a UBI,questioned whether Labour would have "the balls" to go ahead with a coherent policy.</p>
      <p>"I don't think at the end of the day they would have the balls, really, to put in a fiscally coherent UBI," Morgan said.</p>
      <p>"They'd find that just too much of a challenge."</p>
      <p>Such a policy would be a major change in the way wealth was transferred, Morgan said.</p>
      <p>"The beauty of it is that it recognises the contribution to society that people who don't necessarily get paid make, like at-home spouses or volunteers in the community.</p>
      <p>"It gives people more choice so if you quit your job to do training or go back to uni you've got that to rely on."</p>
      <p>The Future of Work Commission was launched by Labour in May last year to develop a range of policies before the 2017 election.</p>
      <p>A team of independent expert advisers is helping 10 MPs to investigate themes including the impact of new technology and demands for greater workplace flexibility, with a number of issues papers already released by Labour.</p>
      <p><strong> - Stuff</strong></p>
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  • NTAN Offline
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    Finland doing something on this as well?

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    <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26990607">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26990607</a><br><br>
    That's all medical speak, but basically: Allergy to kiwifruit from donor transferred to recipient brother. Had been known about but these guys managed to dig in a little deeper. Medically, interesting

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  • jeggaJ Offline
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    Any more pics of Heather Graham ?

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="566275" data-time="1458526575">
    <p>Any more pics of Heather Graham ?</p>
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    <br><p>NSFW<br>
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    <p>[spoiler]<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.imgur.com/7HEra.gif'>http://i.imgur.com/7HEra.gif</a></p>
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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://secure.static.tumblr.com/bd83ce0286be58c333c822f21481ad4f/fl594a0/iXxn654v2/tumblr_static_tumblr_static_4668vdglsy0400ok0www4gow8_640.gif'>https://secure.static.tumblr.com/bd83ce0286be58c333c822f21481ad4f/fl594a0/iXxn654v2/tumblr_static_tumblr_static_4668vdglsy0400ok0www4gow8_640.gif</a>[/spoiler]</p>

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  • NTAN Offline
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    <p>Dammit. I'm at work...</p>

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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.imgur.com/kOIUKh5.jpg'><img src="http://i.imgur.com/kOIUKh5l.jpg" alt="kOIUKh5l.jpg"></a></p>

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  • mariner4lifeM Offline
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    <p>Heather has never had a problem getting in the buff has she? Bless her</p>

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  • jeggaJ Offline
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    She did some sterling work in boogie nights .<br><br>
    Excellent photo posted there , it was obviously cold out.

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="566295" data-time="1458528373"><p>
    She did some sterling work in boogie nights .<br>
    Excellent photo posted there , it was obviously cold out.</p></blockquote>Gotta respect a girl who steps out without a bra on

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    She was great as Hank Moody's squeeze in the final series of californication

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    <p>RRS Boaty McBoatface 🤣</p>
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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/20/eccentric-choices-surface-in-quest-to-name-polar-research-vessel'>http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/20/eccentric-choices-surface-in-quest-to-name-polar-research-vessel</a></p>
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    <p>Haven't stopped cackling about it all evening. :)</p>
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    <p>Gotta love this country, voting for a government and a few turn out, voting to name a ship 'RSS Boaty McBoatface' and we have crashed the server. Proud to be British</p>
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    <p>RRS Usain Boat is a good one, also Ludwig van Boathoven. Maybe even Flotilla the Hun.</p>
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  • jeggaJ Offline
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    Reminds me a lot of the whale naming competition <br>
    <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/splashy-101207/'>http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/splashy-101207/</a>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="566275" data-time="1458526575">
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    <p>Any more pics of Heather Graham ?</p>
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    <p>Mummy</p>
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    <p><img src="http://www.vettri.net/gallery/celeb/heather_graham/The-Hangover-Celebrity-Poker-Tournament/HeatherGraham_Hangover-Celebrity-Poker-Tournament_Vettri.Net-25.jpg" alt="HeatherGraham_Hangover-Celebrity-Poker-T"></p>

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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.sundayschoolkids.com/activities-love/heart-shamrock-trinity2011-instru.htm'>http://www.sundayschoolkids.com/activities-love/heart-shamrock-trinity2011-instru.htm</a></p>
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    <p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/b7PKpfK.png" alt="b7PKpfK.png"></p>

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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.shockmansion.com/2016/03/22/video-attention-men-this-master-samurai-carpenter-just-constructed-the-most-beautiful-workbench-youve-ever-seen-will-damn-near-make-you-shed-a-tear/'>http://www.shockmansion.com/2016/03/22/video-attention-men-this-master-samurai-carpenter-just-constructed-the-most-beautiful-workbench-youve-ever-seen-will-damn-near-make-you-shed-a-tear/</a></p>
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    <p>I got wood!</p>

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    So what's a turnaround ?<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Paekakboyz" data-cid="566440" data-time="1458611199">
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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.shockmansion.com/2016/03/22/video-attention-men-this-master-samurai-carpenter-just-constructed-the-most-beautiful-workbench-youve-ever-seen-will-damn-near-make-you-shed-a-tear/'>http://www.shockmansion.com/2016/03/22/video-attention-men-this-master-samurai-carpenter-just-constructed-the-most-beautiful-workbench-youve-ever-seen-will-damn-near-make-you-shed-a-tear/</a></p>
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    <p>I got wood!</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>That's beautiful - not a nail to be seen.</p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Virgil" data-cid="566459" data-time="1458613475">
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    <p>So what's a turnaround ?<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="

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    <p>After 3 and a half minutes I had to watch again. This time I've turned on the sound.</p>

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