Black Caps v Pakistan
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WRT to the spinner selection - I'm still struggling with this from Stead:
*"The toughest squad selection was clearly around the spinner," said coach Gary Stead.
"That basically came down to the balance of the side and with the four-strong pace attack going so nicely we wanted to have a spinning allrounder as an option for that No 7 position."*
A guy that averages 25 (and scored 19 today) is a bowler (who is unlikely to take wickets in NZ).I think that we are living in the past a bit, our top order is so much stronger in NZ (mostly) and our pace bowlers so much fitter that giving them a rest with a spinner isn't really necessary either. So why not an attacking spinner that takes wickets (if one at all)?
@Snowy said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
WRT to the spinner selection - I'm still struggling with this from Stead:
I'm not. I'm really not convinced Stead is up to coaching this side. If anything I think he is a handbrake that Williamson is having to deal with for now. He was clueless in Aus and clueless when he went on holiday - he's not intellectually incisive enough to manage the team nor does he have the playing gravitas to persuade me either. Journeyman player - mediocre coach - the Santnav of Team management
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Southee gives the haters more ammo with that innings.
With regards to the spinner dilemma. KW isn't the worst in the world when he actually has a go but is captaincy and being the best player enough for him to have on his plate ?
Watling's knack for scoring crucial runs when needed is obviously a big string to his bow but it's still almost a problem in how the side is selected around the 6/7 spots in the order. Do they go for another specialist batsman, shift Watling to 7 and hope that there are guys in the top order to roll the arm over occasionally ?
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WRT to the spinner selection - I'm still struggling with this from Stead:
*"The toughest squad selection was clearly around the spinner," said coach Gary Stead.
"That basically came down to the balance of the side and with the four-strong pace attack going so nicely we wanted to have a spinning allrounder as an option for that No 7 position."*
A guy that averages 25 (and scored 19 today) is a bowler (who is unlikely to take wickets in NZ).I think that we are living in the past a bit, our top order is so much stronger in NZ (mostly) and our pace bowlers so much fitter that giving them a rest with a spinner isn't really necessary either. So why not an attacking spinner that takes wickets (if one at all)?
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Southee gives the haters more ammo with that innings.
With regards to the spinner dilemma. KW isn't the worst in the world when he actually has a go but is captaincy and being the best player enough for him to have on his plate ?
Watling's knack for scoring crucial runs when needed is obviously a big string to his bow but it's still almost a problem in how the side is selected around the 6/7 spots in the order. Do they go for another specialist batsman, shift Watling to 7 and hope that there are guys in the top order to roll the arm over occasionally ?
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Southee gives the haters more ammo with that innings.
"Haters" = people with a different opinion to me.
Expressing the opinion that he should try just a little harder at his batting ...
transmission interrupted as Wags go... no he doesn't: no ball ... what a delivery though ...
... is hardly hating.
It was a great ball from Yasir though and chance of getting a wicket regardless (non-bouncing yorker) was extremely high.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Southee gives the haters more ammo with that innings.
"Haters" = people with a different opinion to me.
Expressing the opinion that he should try just a little harder at his batting ...
transmission interrupted as Wags go... no he doesn't: no ball ... what a delivery though ...
... is hardly hating.
It was a great ball from Yasir though and chance of getting a wicket regardless (non-bouncing yorker) was extremely high.
@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Southee gives the haters more ammo with that innings.
"Haters" = people with a different opinion to me.
Expressing the opinion that he should try just a little harder at his batting ...
transmission interrupted as Wags go... no he doesn't: no ball ... what a delivery though ...
... is hardly hating.
It was a great ball from Yasir though and chance of getting a wicket regardless (non-bouncing yorker) was extremely high.
He just get's a lot of grief for it that's all. He still has the talent to play the odd decent innings which is all that's needed sometimes.
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@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Southee gives the haters more ammo with that innings.
"Haters" = people with a different opinion to me.
Expressing the opinion that he should try just a little harder at his batting ...
transmission interrupted as Wags go... no he doesn't: no ball ... what a delivery though ...
... is hardly hating.
It was a great ball from Yasir though and chance of getting a wicket regardless (non-bouncing yorker) was extremely high.
He just get's a lot of grief for it that's all. He still has the talent to play the odd decent innings which is all that's needed sometimes.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Southee gives the haters more ammo with that innings.
"Haters" = people with a different opinion to me.
Expressing the opinion that he should try just a little harder at his batting ...
transmission interrupted as Wags go... no he doesn't: no ball ... what a delivery though ...
... is hardly hating.
It was a great ball from Yasir though and chance of getting a wicket regardless (non-bouncing yorker) was extremely high.
He just get's a lot of grief for it that's all. He still has the talent to play the odd decent innings which is all that's needed sometimes.
He has (and had) the talent to play a lot of decent innings.
As I say though, you can't blame home for getting out to that.
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One of the problems that developped in the test team is that I don't think either Kane or McCullum had enough faith in any of the spinners to bowl them enough TBH. In McCullum's case, I don't believe he rated any spinner anyway so whoever got selected was on a hiding to nothing. This was exacerabted by the selection of the likes of santner and craig who arre basically seen - as vettori-lites. And let's be honest here, when was the last time Vettori ran through a test side - if my memory serves me well, it was before his batting became essential to make up for an extremely deficient top order
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
One of the problems that developped in the test team is that I don't think either Kane or McCullum had enough faith in any of the spinners to bowl them enough TBH. In McCullum's case, I don't believe he rated any spinner anyway so whoever got selected was on a hiding to nothing. This was exacerabted by the selection of the likes of santner and craig who arre basically seen - as vettori-lites. And let's be honest here, when was the last time Vettori ran through a test side - if my memory serves me well, it was before his batting became essential to make up for an extremely deficient top order
Disagree with this for Mccullum, agree for Kane.
Baz captaincy of spinners, Craig successfully, Sodhi unsuccessfully, was very positive.
Kane, not so much, unless he trusts them not to leak runs. His treatment of T Astle reminded Fleming 's captaincy of Wiseman.
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The one who just got Watling.
@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
One of the problems that developped in the test team is that I don't think either Kane or McCullum had enough faith in any of the spinners to bowl them enough TBH. In McCullum's case, I don't believe he rated any spinner anyway so whoever got selected was on a hiding to nothing. This was exacerabted by the selection of the likes of santner and craig who arre basically seen - as vettori-lites. And let's be honest here, when was the last time Vettori ran through a test side - if my memory serves me well, it was before his batting became essential to make up for an extremely deficient top order
Disagree with this for Mccullum, agree for Kane.
Baz captaincy of spinners, Craig successfully, Sodhi unsuccessfully, was very positive.
Kane, not so much, unless he trusts them not to leak runs. His treatment of T Astle reminded Fleming 's captaincy of Wiseman.
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@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
The side on view makes it look pretty distinctive that there is bit of a throw in there.
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
The side on view makes it look pretty distinctive that there is bit of a throw in there.
@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
The side on view makes it look pretty distinctive that there is bit of a throw in there.
Srt of like playing senior grade cricket in CD in the 80s - a lot of genuine chuckers going around there - particularly in Wanganui - Eric Head(case), Wingnut Carroll and you could choose nay of the Gill family - all huge chuckers and not averse to bowling beamers - this was in the early days before helmets were ubiquitous and in some cases permitted (some schools wouldn't allow helmets to be worn as they were non-traditional)
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@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
