Black Caps v Pakistan
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I vaguely remember Lance Cairns playing, but no clear memory of his bowling. I gather he was another 80's bowler who could get the ball to talk on occasions.
About now Pakistan are very happy with their first innings score, especially having been 83/4 at one stage.
Sub 120kph but huge in swing (especially with the white ball at night).
In terms of a NZ cricket player ( or any cricket player for that matter ) whose aura exceeds his returns I can’t think of anyone who comes close to Lance Cairns.
You'd look at him nowadays and wonder how he managed to make to First Class level as a bowler.
For those who can't remember Lance think a burlier version of Chris Harris, strangely similar action, about the same pace, similar in swing.
But even in the Young Gun days you wouldn't have picked Harris as a specialist bowler. He was primarily a batsman.
Lance could take wickets though. Took a couple of 7fers, including bowling us to victory in England for the first time.
An ok bowler I'll give him that but he averaged 16 with the bat. SIXTEEN !
He was a bowler who batted 9 or 10 (Chats was 11).
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@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Yawn, another hundred for Kane. He's so boringly predictable these days.
Is this from the same quote book that some ABs ‘fans’ used when describing the ABs world domination?
If so burn it.
It's tongue in cheek, I love our little master.
Speaking of which I note that his 24th hundred has come in his 83rd match. For point of reference Sachin Tendulkar got 51 in exactly 200........so without getting ahead of ourselves and bearing in mind Tendulkar is not the single greatest batsman ever despite what the Bobs and Vagene crew say it is still some fucken effort. Incredible stuff from KW.
Long may his boring predictability keep going.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Yawn, another hundred for Kane. He's so boringly predictable these days.
Is this from the same quote book that some ABs ‘fans’ used when describing the ABs world domination?
If so burn it.
It's tongue in cheek, I love our little master.
I know mate, as was mine
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@taniwharugby said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner comms just said this is the last over???
Yea, what does cricinfo know!
I missed a fair bit of the commentary as was only half arsed watching it.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Rossco might not be so missed after all.
Yeah he will and you know it.
As for Lance Cairns - The Hero of Headingly (and yes I tried to replicate a complete front on action until I pretty much fucked my right shoulder).
"He took ten wickets in New Zealand's first ever win on English soil, at Headingley in 1983."
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@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
71/3, is it a case of the wobbles? Nah, just another day at the office for the BCs, casual 215 unbroken partnership...
It is a serious turnaround in the the way we perform (thank you Mr Hesson).
Difficult to attribute credit really, but having Kane sure helps!
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@Snowy said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
71/3, is it a case of the wobbles? Nah, just another day at the office for the BCs, casual 215 unbroken partnership...
It is a serious turnaround in the the way we perform (thank you Mr Hesson).
Difficult to attribute credit really, but having Kane sure helps!
I think having some seriously talented cattle helps, I mean what the fuck has Hesson done for Kyle Jamieson for example ?
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I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
I'm quite happy for us not to even bother with a spinner - that attack at full strength can get wickets almost anywhere and I vaguely recall that most of the wickets in the UAE when we last played tests there were down to Timmee and Trent
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
I'm quite happy for us not to even bother with a spinner - that attack at full strength can get wickets almost anywhere and I vaguely recall that most of the wickets in the UAE when we last played tests there were down to Timmee and Trent
You're singing from my hymn sheet.
The Windies in the 80s never bothered with one and they did alright. Marshall, Holding, Garner, Croft, Roberts, Walsh, Ambrose, Bishop etc may have been better as a unit and as individuals than what we have but the principle is pretty much the same I reckon.
I cringed when we went into a match with three spinners over there a few years back.
