Black Caps v Pakistan

[nzzp]

@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

Also, those quicks. Goddamn. They mowed through India, and their lineup is something special. Amazing group of bowlers

Yeah - they are. They've got three guys the size of Big Kyle and they all bowl 5-10 clicks faster than him. And then they've got Lyon vs Santner.

Even with us playing at home, I wouldn't put any money on us beating Australia.

I might put a lazy fiver on it, but agree that it's a tough match even at home.

tough, but we should be in the game. Get Smith and Marnus early, and you're on ... behind those two the batters aren't great at the moment (given Warner's coming back from injury)

[Godder]

@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

Also, those quicks. Goddamn. They mowed through India, and their lineup is something special. Amazing group of bowlers

Yeah - they are. They've got three guys the size of Big Kyle and they all bowl 5-10 clicks faster than him. And then they've got Lyon vs Santner.

Even with us playing at home, I wouldn't put any money on us beating Australia.

I might put a lazy fiver on it, but agree that it's a tough match even at home.

tough, but we should be in the game. Get Smith and Marnus early, and you're on ... behind those two the batters aren't great at the moment (given Warner's coming back from injury)

Might end up like the 2015 CWC preliminary game where both bowling attacks wrecked the batting, but Kane got us home.

[canefan]

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

Also, those quicks. Goddamn. They mowed through India, and their lineup is something special. Amazing group of bowlers

Yeah - they are. They've got three guys the size of Big Kyle and they all bowl 5-10 clicks faster than him. And then they've got Lyon vs Santner.

Even with us playing at home, I wouldn't put any money on us beating Australia.

If we put up Santner vs Lyon we lose that matchup

[Daffy Jaffy]

[Chris B.]

@canefan said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

Also, those quicks. Goddamn. They mowed through India, and their lineup is something special. Amazing group of bowlers

Yeah - they are. They've got three guys the size of Big Kyle and they all bowl 5-10 clicks faster than him. And then they've got Lyon vs Santner.

Even with us playing at home, I wouldn't put any money on us beating Australia.

If we put up Santner vs Lyon we lose that matchup

I don't think we'd get a bowler in a joint team if they picked just four.

Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon.

Warner, Latham, Kane, Marnus, Smith, Taylor and BJ probably edges Paine.

Jamieson probably makes it if they pick an allrounder to bat at 7 based on his phenomenal start in test cricket - but, he'd probably be taking Rossco's spot - according to me, anyway.

[canefan]

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@canefan said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@nzzp said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

Also, those quicks. Goddamn. They mowed through India, and their lineup is something special. Amazing group of bowlers

Yeah - they are. They've got three guys the size of Big Kyle and they all bowl 5-10 clicks faster than him. And then they've got Lyon vs Santner.

Even with us playing at home, I wouldn't put any money on us beating Australia.

If we put up Santner vs Lyon we lose that matchup

I don't think we'd get a bowler in a joint team if they picked just four.

Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon.

Warner, Latham, Kane, Marnus, Smith, Taylor and BJ probably edges Paine.

Jamieson probably makes it if they pick an allrounder to bat at 7 based on his phenomenal start in test cricket - but, he'd probably be taking Rossco's spot - according to me, anyway.

Oops I misread. I thought we were talking about a head to head series

[KiwiMurph]

@Chris-B yes Watling with his 8 test tons certainly beats out Paine with his 0.

[Chris B.]

@canefan I was agreeing with you and then expanding....

[dogmeat]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347015098234138628

[Godder]

@dogmeat Excellent!

[Siam]

What does the Sydney draw do for our lords chances?

[booboo]

@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

A useful article summarising what needs to happen for NZ to play in the World Test Championship final at Lords.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/123884969/the-big-equation-what-needs-to-happen-for-black-caps-to-make-world-test-championship-final

If my maths is right:

AUSTRALIA

Current points percentage: 76.7 (322 out of 420)

What’s left (max 180 150 points):

-India 2 1 home tests (30pts per win, 10pts per draw)

-South Africa 3 away tests (40pts per win, 13pts per draw)

Also: 2-test series in Bangladesh cancelled (120pts not contested)

What they need to top 70 per cent:

100 90 more points (win 3 out of 5 4 against India and South Africa; or draw both last against India and win 2 against South Africa)

INDIA

Current points percentage: 72 (390 out of 540)

What’s left (max 180 150 points):

-Australia 2 1 away tests (30pts per win, 10pts per draw)

-England 4 home tests (30pts per win, 10pts per draw)

What they need to top 70 per cent:

120 110 more points (win 4 out of 6 5 against Australia and England; or win 3 and draw 3 2)

ENGLAND

Current points percentage: 60.8 (292 out of 480)

What’s left (max 240 points):

-Sri Lanka 2 away tests (60pts per win, 20pts per draw)

-India 4 away tests (30pts per win, 10pts per draw)

What they need to top 70 per cent:

220 more points (win both against Sri Lanka; and win 3 and draw 1 against India)

[LABCAT]

@booboo yeah that's looks correct, probably unlikely we will be in the final based on that and England probably needs a near miracle as well but at least their destiny is in their hands.

[Cyclops]

Jamieson up to 5 in the all rounder rankings; 21 in bowlers and 60ish in batsmen. Amusingly, he has a higher batting rating than Shubman Gill.

[Gunner]

https://theniche-cache.com/gentlemanly/2021/1/4/aotearoa-vs-pakistan-timmy?fbclid=IwAR3gHaE5H9IvlxM75XIQpesdnAh63mAgHqryfdcH9MA2f2Go6BgX999JQcE

Really good read about Timmy, a well researched and accurate article.

[booboo]

@LABCAT said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@booboo yeah that's looks correct, probably unlikely we will be in the final based on that and England probably needs a near miracle as well but at least their destiny is in their hands.

Yeah. I'm thinking India win 3, draw 2

[Chris B.]

@booboo Australian commentators were saying the Sydney test was going to be the first draw in Oz for ages.

Barring rain, I'd expect an outright result in Brisbane and with all the Indian injuries, I'm thinking Australia is the favourite - though I might change my mind if Oz has to find two new opening batsmen.

[Rapido]

@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@LABCAT said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

@booboo yeah that's looks correct, probably unlikely we will be in the final based on that and England probably needs a near miracle as well but at least their destiny is in their hands.

Yeah. I'm thinking India win 3, draw 2

I think we have to switch focus to hoping Australia miss the final, rather than India. That's looking more likely now to me. But both still favourites to meet again in the final.

Assume Brisbane is Aussie win, most likely.

Aus v India ends 1-2

• Australia needs a series win v SA by any margin (3 test series away)

• India needs a 4-0 win v Eng (4 test series home)

I don't really rate the current Englsh team with Rot under-performing. So think 4-0 is likely. But, England are playing a 2 test series v Sri Lanka before this, so that is good prep.

South Africa are bad at the moment by their standards, and weirdly even when good usually lost to Australia at home but won away ....

Dammit, all 3 possibilities are still on the table!

[Bovidae]

Here is the updated table.

[MN5]

@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

Here is the updated table.

Grrrrrr........fuck that series in Oz annoys me !!!!!!!!!

So correct me if I'm wrong but if England didn't drop a test to the Windies ( as they shouldn't have to be honest ) would they be ahead of the BCs ?