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  • BovidaeB Bovidae

    Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123910904/americas-cup-copyright-claim-filed-by-coutts-vindictive

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    @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

    Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

    So he is actually wanting to copyright "lines".
    Might as well go the whole hogg and do arrows and circles as well.

    That man is a complete bellend, he was one of the original Americas cup intellectual property thieves to start with.

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    • SnowyS Snowy

      @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

      Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

      So he is actually wanting to copyright "lines".
      Might as well go the whole hogg and do arrows and circles as well.

      That man is a complete bellend, he was one of the original Americas cup intellectual property thieves to start with.

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      @Snowy said in Americas Cup:

      @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

      Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

      So he is actually wanting to copyright "lines".
      Might as well go the whole hogg and do arrows and circles as well.

      That man is a complete bellend, he was one of the original Americas cup intellectual property thieves to start with.

      As the story goes Coutts has been a fluffybunny ever since his junior days

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        Team UK leads from start to finish to beat USA by 1:20. They looked a completely different boat and crew.

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          Team UK leads from start to finish to beat USA by 1:20. They looked a completely different boat and crew.

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          @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

          Team UK leads from start to finish to beat USA by 1:20. They looked a completely different boat and crew.

          game on

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            Wind conditions were in the mid-range so suited both boats. Let's see how Team UK goes against Luna Rossa now.

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              THAT's how you keep your powder dry.

              Also, conspiracy theory - there's been a bit of chat around whether UK and TeamNZ have got a bit buddy-buddy, perhaps lining up the Challenger-of-Record ahead of time... maybe also a bit of info/tech sharing? (I don't really believe that, but I might send it off to Alex Jones anyway - he seems like he'd be a yachting fan.)

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              • KruseK Kruse

                THAT's how you keep your powder dry.

                Also, conspiracy theory - there's been a bit of chat around whether UK and TeamNZ have got a bit buddy-buddy, perhaps lining up the Challenger-of-Record ahead of time... maybe also a bit of info/tech sharing? (I don't really believe that, but I might send it off to Alex Jones anyway - he seems like he'd be a yachting fan.)

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                @Kruse don't think they would risk anything, the AC is litigious enough as it is!

                Ineos flying in the second now, 22sec at the second

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                  2 from 2 for Ainslie. He won the start in both races.

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                    some interesting comments about the foils ainsle was using pre xmas, how they had noticeable rivets and ridges compared to these ones which are perfectly smooth (as you expect), sandbagging pre xmas with deliberately shit foils?

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                    • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                      some interesting comments about the foils ainsle was using pre xmas, how they had noticeable rivets and ridges compared to these ones which are perfectly smooth (as you expect), sandbagging pre xmas with deliberately shit foils?

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                      @Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:

                      some interesting comments about the foils ainsle was using pre xmas, how they had noticeable rivets and ridges compared to these ones which are perfectly smooth (as you expect), sandbagging pre xmas with deliberately shit foils?

                      I don't really see the see the point. It is difficult to improve if you aren't already trying as hard as you can. They may have got their wind strength forecasting a bit off.

                      Perhaps they thought turbulent boundary layers were the way to go versus lamina flow with the foils. Might have given more stability in higher wind speeds. I'm better on aerodynamics than hydro but that might be a reason. They are dealing with the inviscid flow over the foil (viscosity will be different in water than air of course).

                      This will help you work it out:
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                        sailing mate explained that if the others don't feel as threatened then they wont have the same drive to develop something new, no reason to risk it, just consolidate on what you have

                        baller move it was true, gamble that what your kept back is actually as good as you think it is

                        its all the theatre of the AC isn't it

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                        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                          sailing mate explained that if the others don't feel as threatened then they wont have the same drive to develop something new, no reason to risk it, just consolidate on what you have

                          baller move it was true, gamble that what your kept back is actually as good as you think it is

                          its all the theatre of the AC isn't it

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                          @Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:

                          its all the theatre of the AC isn't it

                          Sure is. They were probably experimenting earlier, and failed dismally, rather than sand-bagging, but we will never know. They are such complex boats every change affects another component that affects another, etc, etc.

                          It will be interesting to see how they go in a slightly lighter breeze again. 6 to 20 kts is going to be a difficult range for all of them to be fast in (comparitively).

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                            Didn't team GBR say they pretty much rebuilt it over the break?

                            There was also a comment from one of the comments before Xmas about the 'package' they were using.

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                              Didn't team GBR say they pretty much rebuilt it over the break?

                              There was also a comment from one of the comments before Xmas about the 'package' they were using.

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                              @taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

                              Didn't team GBR say they pretty much rebuilt it over the break?

                              Ainslie said himself after race 1 that just about everything apart from the hull (for obvious reasons) had been changed.

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                                Yep. They Christmas day off (slack buggers) otherwise it was a complete rework. Was always going to happen they have cash.

                                Lighter air might still be a weakness though.

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                                  plenty of time with both boats off thier foils out there, but Luna Rossa took it comfortably, although were a couple of lead changes on leg 2 of 4

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                                    So Team USA 0/3 and Ineos 3/3.

                                    Alot of floating about in the races today.

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                                      So Team USA 0/3 and Ineos 3/3.

                                      Alot of floating about in the races today.

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                                      @taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

                                      Alot of floating about in the races today.

                                      Was quite amusing. In the effort to get back up on the foils they had zero or even negative VMG at times. Unless they can create an apparent wind they are tubs. Still think they are cool though.

                                      Six knots wind speed seems to have been set a bit low for "racing".

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                                        @taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

                                        Alot of floating about in the races today.

                                        Was quite amusing. In the effort to get back up on the foils they had zero or even negative VMG at times. Unless they can create an apparent wind they are tubs. Still think they are cool though.

                                        Six knots wind speed seems to have been set a bit low for "racing".

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                                        @Snowy said in Americas Cup:

                                        @taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

                                        Alot of floating about in the races today.

                                        Was quite amusing. In the effort to get back up on the foils they had zero or even negative VMG at times. Unless they can create an apparent wind they are tubs. Still think they are cool though.

                                        Six knots wind speed seems to have been set a bit low for "racing".

                                        Sounds like the AC in Fremantle, with 12m yachts when the winds weren't in

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                                          @Snowy said in Americas Cup:

                                          @taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

                                          Alot of floating about in the races today.

                                          Was quite amusing. In the effort to get back up on the foils they had zero or even negative VMG at times. Unless they can create an apparent wind they are tubs. Still think they are cool though.

                                          Six knots wind speed seems to have been set a bit low for "racing".

                                          Sounds like the AC in Fremantle, with 12m yachts when the winds weren't in

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                                          @canefan said in Americas Cup:

                                          @Snowy said in Americas Cup:

                                          @taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

                                          Alot of floating about in the races today.

                                          Was quite amusing. In the effort to get back up on the foils they had zero or even negative VMG at times. Unless they can create an apparent wind they are tubs. Still think they are cool though.

                                          Six knots wind speed seems to have been set a bit low for "racing".

                                          Sounds like the AC in Fremantle, with 12m yachts when the winds weren't in

                                          A bit different really, due to the foiling aspect. These things are basically stationary as displacement boats, until they can achieve enough power to foil then they are rocket ships. The 12m didn't have that range of speed. These things are on or off, 12m were pretty conventional, finding an extra 3kts of pressure was good, but not give you another 30 kts. The percentage comparison is enormous.

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