Americas Cup
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@Kiwiwomble Looks too far forward to be the hydraulics but nice work with the box. Arrows are more traditional, but things evolve and you aren't Australian (even though you live there).
Yep it does look like foils about amidships and the rudder sure helps with lift astern. That all means that it should have gone down like a stone. I dunno.
Do they have buoyancy tanks or watertight bulkheads? They did get help very quickly too.As @Machpants says I think that hole was bit rougher than it appears unless that had already been trimmed it to repair.
@Snowy in the presser they said they do have a lot of inherent buoyancy and then got a lot of floatation devices under it, he mentioned the coast guard giving them a couple of "airplane type life rafts" they inflated under it
my coverage cut out just as he was explaining the hole but a sailing mate dumbed it down for me
"..so the boat has transverse structure and longitudinal structure - picture like a grid of strong bits like the wall of the house. When the boat slammed down on the angle, the pressure of the slam just popped out the weak bit in between the frame (like putting your hand through the plaster in between the frame)"
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@Snowy in the presser they said they do have a lot of inherent buoyancy and then got a lot of floatation devices under it, he mentioned the coast guard giving them a couple of "airplane type life rafts" they inflated under it
my coverage cut out just as he was explaining the hole but a sailing mate dumbed it down for me
"..so the boat has transverse structure and longitudinal structure - picture like a grid of strong bits like the wall of the house. When the boat slammed down on the angle, the pressure of the slam just popped out the weak bit in between the frame (like putting your hand through the plaster in between the frame)"
@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
"..so the boat has transverse structure and longitudinal structure - picture like a grid of strong bits like the wall of the house. When the boat slammed down on the angle, the pressure of the slam just popped out the weak bit in between the frame (like putting your hand through the plaster in between the frame)"
Sounds pretty accurate. I used to build fibreglass boats but nothing like the carbon fibre stuff and I thought they could do away with some of the ribs and stringers due to the strength of the product they were using. Must still have some to maintain the structure, (or not), when things go wrong.
The puzzling thing about that is the impact on the water, in itself, shouldn't have been enough to rupture the hull unless there was something to exacerbate it, like heavy equipment. Then you have to ask why was that not reinforced /strong enough to deal with it?I'm sure that all of the teams are trying to work that out now.
The combination of strength, weight, hydrodynamics, aerodynamics, ergonomics makes these machines engineering marvels to me.
Chuck in some human factors too, and you have some entertainment.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
"..so the boat has transverse structure and longitudinal structure - picture like a grid of strong bits like the wall of the house. When the boat slammed down on the angle, the pressure of the slam just popped out the weak bit in between the frame (like putting your hand through the plaster in between the frame)"
Sounds pretty accurate. I used to build fibreglass boats but nothing like the carbon fibre stuff and I thought they could do away with some of the ribs and stringers due to the strength of the product they were using. Must still have some to maintain the structure, (or not), when things go wrong.
The puzzling thing about that is the impact on the water, in itself, shouldn't have been enough to rupture the hull unless there was something to exacerbate it, like heavy equipment. Then you have to ask why was that not reinforced /strong enough to deal with it?I'm sure that all of the teams are trying to work that out now.
The combination of strength, weight, hydrodynamics, aerodynamics, ergonomics makes these machines engineering marvels to me.
Chuck in some human factors too, and you have some entertainment.
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@Snowy maybe they landed on a shark, plenty about at present apparently.
@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
@Snowy maybe they landed on a shark, plenty about at present apparently.
Failed to "jump the shark?"
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Hutchinson confirmed the hole had been caused by internal pressures after the boat slammed down from its leap out of the water as they tried a difficult tack-bear away at the final mark while leading Luna Rossa.
“It’s fine when it lands flat on its heel but when you land on the side, the structure inside just guillotined the panel and out it came.”
Alarm bells rang when one of American Magic's chase boats found a large section of the hull floating nearby, confirming Hutchinson's worst fears as he had plenty of water splashing around him aboard the crippled AC75.
Hutchinson emphasised fixing the hull would be the easy part. An ultrasound of the hull began at 3am on Monday and took seven hours, giving them some reassurances.
“If you have concerns or worries, it’s dealing with what’s inside the boat … the hardest part is the electronics.”
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Hutchinson confirmed the hole had been caused by internal pressures after the boat slammed down from its leap out of the water as they tried a difficult tack-bear away at the final mark while leading Luna Rossa.
“It’s fine when it lands flat on its heel but when you land on the side, the structure inside just guillotined the panel and out it came.”
Alarm bells rang when one of American Magic's chase boats found a large section of the hull floating nearby, confirming Hutchinson's worst fears as he had plenty of water splashing around him aboard the crippled AC75.
Hutchinson emphasised fixing the hull would be the easy part. An ultrasound of the hull began at 3am on Monday and took seven hours, giving them some reassurances.
“If you have concerns or worries, it’s dealing with what’s inside the boat … the hardest part is the electronics.”
@Machpants said in Americas Cup:
Hutchinson confirmed the hole had been caused by internal pressures after the boat slammed down from its leap out of the water
Sounds like my first guess.
The electronics is interesting - surely they have spare parts? They also have some time.
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@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
@Snowy maybe they landed on a shark, plenty about at present apparently.
Failed to "jump the shark?"
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
@Snowy maybe they landed on a shark, plenty about at present apparently.
Failed to "jump the shark?"
Someone get the Fonz!
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@Machpants said in Americas Cup:
Hutchinson confirmed the hole had been caused by internal pressures after the boat slammed down from its leap out of the water
Sounds like my first guess.
The electronics is interesting - surely they have spare parts? They also have some time.
@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Machpants said in Americas Cup:
Hutchinson confirmed the hole had been caused by internal pressures after the boat slammed down from its leap out of the water
Sounds like my first guess.
The electronics is interesting - surely they have spare parts? They also have some time.
yeah, he confirmed they had spares for everything they need and they can still steal some stuff from Defiant like the foil arm mechanism which apparently is rooted
also confirmed the hydraulics are a closed system so is fine, he said if that had been damaged then they would have been screwed as that would have taken a lot longer to install a new one that the electronics
Theyre using lots of different people to help, he said ETNZ are "finished" or at least winding down with their boat building so have offered up their local boat builders to help manufacture sheets of carbon fibre, for example, that then their team can just install
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@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
@Snowy maybe they landed on a shark, plenty about at present apparently.
Failed to "jump the shark?"
Someone get the Fonz!
@Godder said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
@Snowy maybe they landed on a shark, plenty about at present apparently.
Failed to "jump the shark?"
Someone get the Fonz!
He would have kept cooler than Deano during that turn....
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@Godder said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
@Snowy maybe they landed on a shark, plenty about at present apparently.
Failed to "jump the shark?"
Someone get the Fonz!
He would have kept cooler than Deano during that turn....
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
He would have kept cooler than Deano during that turn....
Haha. Was Deano at the helm when it happened? There was speculation that he hadn't managed to move to the windward side. It does sound like they got an unlucky break with a puff / gust regardless.
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@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Machpants said in Americas Cup:
Hutchinson confirmed the hole had been caused by internal pressures after the boat slammed down from its leap out of the water
Sounds like my first guess.
The electronics is interesting - surely they have spare parts? They also have some time.
yeah, he confirmed they had spares for everything they need and they can still steal some stuff from Defiant like the foil arm mechanism which apparently is rooted
also confirmed the hydraulics are a closed system so is fine, he said if that had been damaged then they would have been screwed as that would have taken a lot longer to install a new one that the electronics
Theyre using lots of different people to help, he said ETNZ are "finished" or at least winding down with their boat building so have offered up their local boat builders to help manufacture sheets of carbon fibre, for example, that then their team can just install
@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
they can still steal some stuff from Defiant like the foil arm mechanism which apparently is rooted
You've been away to long. We use "munted" even these days.
Foil arms / mechanism should be available. They were part of the AC 75 standard bits.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
they can still steal some stuff from Defiant like the foil arm mechanism which apparently is rooted
You've been away to long. We use "munted" even these days.
Foil arms / mechanism should be available. They were part of the AC 75 standard bits.
@Snowy he seemed to think they had to be taken out of Defiant so maybe its something connected that's not part of the "one design", or maybe they only made enough for each team to have two and making more will take too long
...cant remember the last time I even used the term rooted...weird
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@Snowy he seemed to think they had to be taken out of Defiant so maybe its something connected that's not part of the "one design", or maybe they only made enough for each team to have two and making more will take too long
...cant remember the last time I even used the term rooted...weird
@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
..cant remember the last time I even used the term rooted...weird
We're all getting older.
The one design thing I have no idea how many were built and distributed, but they must have some floating (yes) around for them.
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I'm sure part of this is to appease the TV broadcasters and sponsors.
@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
I'm sure part of this is to appease the TV broadcasters and sponsors.
Ah yes, yet another absolute bullshit headline.
The headline's so-called "ghost race" - is that the other boat has to cross the start line. That's it.
It's not even to the extent of 2013, when, according to the article (and why would anybody do that) - they actually had to sail the course. -
all of it blown out of proportion, the reality is the teams will probably be out training anyway so even if they did have to finish the race...they'd probably want too
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all of it blown out of proportion, the reality is the teams will probably be out training anyway so even if they did have to finish the race...they'd probably want too
@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
all of it blown out of proportion, the reality is the teams will probably be out training anyway so even if they did have to finish the race...they'd probably want too
Yeah - I was thinking that too... If they have to get out to do the start, I suspect they'll want to just blat it up and down the actual course a couple of times at least... it's probably worth more than getting an extra couple of hours in the shed to tinker.
And even if Sunday afternoon's race is a dead-rubber, I'd expect the good-will (and again, experience) from actually racing - again, more worthwhile than the extra couple of hours - when they've got a whole week to repaint shit, and polish the shiny bits, and whatever else.
