Stadium of Canterbury
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Sadly, poorly costed and constructed projects are quite normal. And the Government's preferred contractor has an appalling recent record. The other truly significant player here locally is an Australian owned and operated concern who may or may not procure domestically where possible. This is bound to cause an uproar if the general public becomes aware of the ins and outs. Imports in some categories keep the cost down but don't support the local economy to the same extent as domestic procurement does. Just in this regard, I'd supporting some form of independent oversight structure to ensure balanced and accurate decisions are made irrespective of who the main contractor is.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble I am pleased you've canvassed "all the professions current working on it (the stadium)" and can throw that considerable weight behind your assertion that money does in fact grow on trees.
when did i say money grows on trees? i'm just choosing to trust the professionals stance over what it will cost ,with some standard construction contingency, and not your stance that those people have got it so wrong
Your position is valid but as much as I think @shark is finding reasons to support what HE wants as a result, cost blowouts in your industry appear to be quite normal.
On of the big drawbacks we have in NZ is that the lack of big construction capabilities and competence means that once a path is started it can become a money pit. Can't afford to finish, can't afford to not finish.
Look at roading projects like transmission gully. NZTA can only keep throwing money at it to get it done now.@Crucial said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble I am pleased you've canvassed "all the professions current working on it (the stadium)" and can throw that considerable weight behind your assertion that money does in fact grow on trees.
when did i say money grows on trees? i'm just choosing to trust the professionals stance over what it will cost ,with some standard construction contingency, and not your stance that those people have got it so wrong
Your position is valid but as much as I think @shark is finding reasons to support what HE wants as a result, cost blowouts in your industry appear to be quite normal.
On of the big drawbacks we have in NZ is that the lack of big construction capabilities and competence means that once a path is started it can become a money pit. Can't afford to finish, can't afford to not finish.
Look at roading projects like transmission gully. NZTA can only keep throwing money at it to get it done now.To digress ...
Wish I could find it but years ago I read an article in the IPENZ (Institution of Professional Engineers) magazine when it was still hardcopy (ie., ancient) that basically spelled out how Transmission Gully was a pipe dream and whilst it was not unbuildable it was essentially unaffordable.
Don't know how true it was but seems it may have had some basis.
Regardless, sometimes I wonder (well, we probably all know) that some projects are manipulated to be affordable for political expediency.
I'm not commenting on the Chch stadium with the above BTW.
FWIW my ill informed opinion is the roof is the better option. Just can't see the need for a larger capacity that will get used once a year.
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more progress, still not sure if theres even a reference design out there
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Haha yeah triggered a little. I'm PMSL over all the restrictions the CCC is now looking to impose on their own MUA. Curfews and limits to the number of loud events ie concerts, which are the main fucking reason for this debacle of a stadium.
Sheer and utter incompetence.
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i'm going to steer clear of all that, more interesting in the construction itself etc, its going to be well over a decade after the big quakes before they even break ground
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Addington stadium so good that Edinburgh Rugby appear to be copying it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/j6qjk5/edinburgh_rugby_digital_new_stadium_flythrough/
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Haha yeah triggered a little. I'm PMSL over all the restrictions the CCC is now looking to impose on their own MUA. Curfews and limits to the number of loud events ie concerts, which are the main fucking reason for this debacle of a stadium.
Sheer and utter incompetence.
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Haha yeah triggered a little. I'm PMSL over all the restrictions the CCC is now looking to impose on their own MUA. Curfews and limits to the number of loud events ie concerts, which are the main fucking reason for this debacle of a stadium.
Sheer and utter incompetence.
Pretty common things for stadiums though. EP, Caketin etc all have restrictions on curfew/ noise limits/ amount per year.
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Watching the Canterbury Earthquake National Memorial service. Ten years ago, today. So much pain still, and tears. This will stay with those affected forever. :crying_face:
@stargazer I think of myself as a “hard man “ but some stuff still gets to me. Trucks going past and shaking buildings etc. It was a horrible time that will
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jeez, considering how much money council had thrown around in the last decade buying up these lots they much have really been holding out for fortune
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Is this thing built yet?
@antipodean i think theyre still only doing enabling works...its years away id say
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Costs rising by the month (steel alone - reinforcing, structural and fixings - worldwide will be up around 25% from a couple of months ago, come next month), means the scope can only shrink and remarkably the CCC are still fucking around trying to buy a building on the fucking site.
When is some c*nt in a position of power or with a public profile going to finally call these useless fucks out over their inordinately dumb idea to build an indoor stadium with the budget at hand??
