Americas Cup
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Does the start order reverse each sailing day in the batch of two races or alternate each race?
If the series continues that with two evenly matched boats the start winner wins we would have the deciding advantage in the 13th race.
So the onus is on LR to force a mistake from NZ either in the pre-start or race.@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Does the start order reverse each sailing day in the batch of two races or alternate each race?
This link shows the sequence for each race day (click on the date).
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@mn5 said in Americas Cup:
Went to meet a couple of mates in the CBD for a beer, holy shit has anyone seen the cost of parking in the city these days ?
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert. Talk about exciting stuff, it’s like Horse racing except good.
If there’s a bandwagon I’m signing up.
I was thinking this earlier this afternoon... has any sport ever been better at turning millions of people from completely ignorant into sudden pub-experts so quickly?
Everyone's so fucking quick to jump in to prove that they know what VMG means, and talk about minimising tacks, and how foiling works, with extravagant hand gestures and shit.
Not realising it's all WWF/WWE style “sports entertainment” for grown-ups. Really... sailing faster than the wind... the driving force. Fucking idiot-sheeple.@kruse said in Americas Cup:
@mn5 said in Americas Cup:
Went to meet a couple of mates in the CBD for a beer, holy shit has anyone seen the cost of parking in the city these days ?
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert. Talk about exciting stuff, it’s like Horse racing except good.
If there’s a bandwagon I’m signing up.
I was thinking this earlier this afternoon... has any sport ever been better at turning millions of people from completely ignorant into sudden pub-experts so quickly?
Everyone's so fucking quick to jump in to prove that they know what VMG means, and talk about minimising tacks, and how foiling works, with extravagant hand gestures and shit.
Not realising it's all WWF/WWE style “sports entertainment” for grown-ups. Really... sailing faster than the wind... the driving force. Fucking idiot-sheeple.Your post sums it up very well, the wank speak I was hearing from people at the pub was absolutely cringeworthy.
I get that it is exciting ( yes even I will admit that ) but man up and admit you don’t know what the fuck you’re on about with all your terminology.
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If we want to find a positive yesterday, TNZ won by a comfortable 31 secs when leading all the way while Luna Rossa had their lead cut to 7 secs on the last leg when in front.
A 1-1 scoreline after Day 1 is good for the AC.
@bovidae said in Americas Cup:
If we want to find a positive yesterday, TNZ won by a comfortable 31 secs when leading all the way while Luna Rossa had their lead cut to 7 secs on the last leg when in front.
A 1-1 scoreline after Day 1 is good for the AC.
I just watched the highlights, but I thought the reduced margin in the race Luna Rossa won was because they made a couple of odd tacks during the race, allowing NZ to catch up. In other words, there as no difference in boat speed. I hope I am wrong.
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@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Does the start order reverse each sailing day in the batch of two races or alternate each race?
This link shows the sequence for each race day (click on the date).
@bovidae said in Americas Cup:
@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Does the start order reverse each sailing day in the batch of two races or alternate each race?
This link shows the sequence for each race day (click on the date).
Doesn’t work properly on iPad. Will check on desktop. Thanks
Edit: so they rotate on a race day basis. Eg port entry yesterday went NZ then LR. Tomorrow is goes LR then NZ. NZ still gets the deciding race should it go that far.
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@chris-b General Science wasn't even an option for us at School C. You had to specialise.
I bet @Snowy took Biology - and worked after school in the Butchery Department at Foodtown (as was).
Sailings more physics anyway.
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
@chris-b General Science wasn't even an option for us at School C. You had to specialise.
I bet @Snowy took Biology - and worked after school in the Butchery Department at Foodtown (as was).
Sailings more physics anyway.
What is this "general science" nonsense.
Applied maths, pure maths, chemistry, and the gold of them all, physics which a lot more people should have studied if they want to be an Americas Cup snob.Biology has always been more of an hobby for me.
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@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
@chris-b General Science wasn't even an option for us at School C. You had to specialise.
I bet @Snowy took Biology - and worked after school in the Butchery Department at Foodtown (as was).
Sailings more physics anyway.
What is this "general science" nonsense.
Applied maths, pure maths, chemistry, and the gold of them all, physics which a lot more people should have studied if they want to be an Americas Cup snob.Biology has always been more of an hobby for me.
@snowy I wish I'd done physics, but at 14 I thought School C was going to be tough so I choose the subjects that I thought I'd do best at. My maths teacher in Form 4 was the phys ed teacher so I avoided the hard sciences. Put me on a path of spouting bullshit for the rest of my life.
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@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
@chris-b General Science wasn't even an option for us at School C. You had to specialise.
I bet @Snowy took Biology - and worked after school in the Butchery Department at Foodtown (as was).
Sailings more physics anyway.
What is this "general science" nonsense.
Applied maths, pure maths, chemistry, and the gold of them all, physics which a lot more people should have studied if they want to be an Americas Cup snob.Biology has always been more of an hobby for me.
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Applied maths, pure maths, chemistry, and the gold of them all, physics
Physics is the ugly sister of pure maths. Her popularity is based on her low morals.
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@snowy I wish I'd done physics, but at 14 I thought School C was going to be tough so I choose the subjects that I thought I'd do best at. My maths teacher in Form 4 was the phys ed teacher so I avoided the hard sciences. Put me on a path of spouting bullshit for the rest of my life.
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
Put me on a path of spouting bullshit for the rest of my life.
You do fit in well here - particularly in an Americas cup thread.
@antipodean said in Americas Cup:
Physics is the ugly sister of pure maths. Her popularity is based on her low morals.
I was going to take umbrage with that, but when I was doing school C, low morals in a girl would win over purity every time. They still do really, so you are quite correct.
Did anyone answer @Crucial 's question about the starts earlier and one boat basically ignoring the other one? The chess game of match racing is beyond my comfort zone, I'd rather talk about the hydro and aero dynamics of that slut physics. Some on here even call her a witch, but it is worth noting that the prestart dial up does seem very different when doing 45 knots compared to 12. You basically get one shot at the opponent and is win or lose. Generally lose if you are on the unfavoured side.
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@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
Put me on a path of spouting bullshit for the rest of my life.
You do fit in well here - particularly in an Americas cup thread.
@antipodean said in Americas Cup:
Physics is the ugly sister of pure maths. Her popularity is based on her low morals.
I was going to take umbrage with that, but when I was doing school C, low morals in a girl would win over purity every time. They still do really, so you are quite correct.
Did anyone answer @Crucial 's question about the starts earlier and one boat basically ignoring the other one? The chess game of match racing is beyond my comfort zone, I'd rather talk about the hydro and aero dynamics of that slut physics. Some on here even call her a witch, but it is worth noting that the prestart dial up does seem very different when doing 45 knots compared to 12. You basically get one shot at the opponent and is win or lose. Generally lose if you are on the unfavoured side.
@snowy I guess if you lose the start and the wind is not wildly shifting the better risk reward is to stay in touch and see if you can pressure the leading crew into making a mistake rather than going for the all on black option of taking the less favoured side of the course.
If starts do remain the critical race decider we may see more sailing off on your own as the match progresses, but then the leading boat just covers.
The perceived 'wisdom' after only two races
is that LR is more manoueverable and thus will come out better in a tacking duel. It didn't seem that way to me in the last upwind leg yesterday.All that physics stuff was the dark arts when I was sailing, look at the water, look at the sky, stay between the other boat and the mark - pretend you know what you're doing and don't fuck up.
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@snowy I guess if you lose the start and the wind is not wildly shifting the better risk reward is to stay in touch and see if you can pressure the leading crew into making a mistake rather than going for the all on black option of taking the less favoured side of the course.
If starts do remain the critical race decider we may see more sailing off on your own as the match progresses, but then the leading boat just covers.
The perceived 'wisdom' after only two races
is that LR is more manoueverable and thus will come out better in a tacking duel. It didn't seem that way to me in the last upwind leg yesterday.All that physics stuff was the dark arts when I was sailing, look at the water, look at the sky, stay between the other boat and the mark - pretend you know what you're doing and don't fuck up.
@dogmeat Agree with all of that. As someone mentioned the dial up allowed one boat to protect a side of the course for either expected pressure or a shift. Failing that, force a mistake to get ahead over the line. In displacement boats they had so many pre start moves it was more likely than now it seems.
As for that dirty tart, physics, yes, she is still back in the shed (or behind it) while the sailors are moistening their fingers and raising them.
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@snowy I guess if you lose the start and the wind is not wildly shifting the better risk reward is to stay in touch and see if you can pressure the leading crew into making a mistake rather than going for the all on black option of taking the less favoured side of the course.
If starts do remain the critical race decider we may see more sailing off on your own as the match progresses, but then the leading boat just covers.
The perceived 'wisdom' after only two races
is that LR is more manoueverable and thus will come out better in a tacking duel. It didn't seem that way to me in the last upwind leg yesterday.All that physics stuff was the dark arts when I was sailing, look at the water, look at the sky, stay between the other boat and the mark - pretend you know what you're doing and don't fuck up.
@dogmeat the times I been sailing i was stoked when we were doing 10knots VMG (was usually about 5 or 6)
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Applied maths, pure maths, chemistry, and the gold of them all, physics
Physics is the ugly sister of pure maths. Her popularity is based on her low morals.
@antipodean said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Applied maths, pure maths, chemistry, and the gold of them all, physics
Physics is the ugly sister of pure maths. Her popularity is based on her low morals.
there's only two kinds of science. Physics and stamp collecting.
disclaimer: I studied physics
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@antipodean said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Applied maths, pure maths, chemistry, and the gold of them all, physics
Physics is the ugly sister of pure maths. Her popularity is based on her low morals.
there's only two kinds of science. Physics and stamp collecting.
disclaimer: I studied physics
@nzzp said in Americas Cup:
@antipodean said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Applied maths, pure maths, chemistry, and the gold of them all, physics
Physics is the ugly sister of pure maths. Her popularity is based on her low morals.
there's only two kinds of science. Physics and stamp collecting.
disclaimer: I studied physics
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's sciences, and physicists.
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@chris-b General Science wasn't even an option for us at School C. You had to specialise.
I bet @Snowy took Biology - and worked after school in the Butchery Department at Foodtown (as was).
Sailings more physics anyway.
@dogmeat said in Americas Cup:
@chris-b General Science wasn't even an option for us at School C. You had to specialise.
I bet @Snowy took Biology - and worked after school in the Butchery Department at Foodtown (as was).
Sailings more physics anyway.
My school only offered about 9 subjects and three of them were Home Economics, Woodwork and Typing.
You were only allowed to take five.
However, it was in North Canterbury with various Wyllies, Deans, Loes and Earls floating about at the time - which is why I know more about The Art of Rugby Football than all you fluffybunnies!
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@bovidae I came across the harbour bridge an hour ago and the flags were hanging on their poles. Zero wind.
And this doesn't help either:
“There’s a very high percentage we won’t get any racing today. The prognosis going forward isn't a whole lot better the next couple of days,” Murray warned as a high pressure system envelopes the country.
“We will go out and try our hand on Course E. We could get a NNE coming down the channel. It’s just a tricky day, I’m afraid.”
A return to level 1 also means Murray can use the “stadium course” that runs between North Head and Rangitoto Island through, frustratingly, it isn't a good option in very light winds.
