Blues 2021
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@mofitzy_ watched Kneepkins over the last 2 weeks for the Blues under 20s ..the kid has game ,as I said in a previous post the selection of Heem was conservative..hope the Blues coaching staff are open minded .
@steven-harris said in Blues 2021:
@mofitzy_ watched Kneepkins over the last 2 weeks for the Blues under 20s ..the kid has game ,as I said in a previous post the selection of Heem was conservative..hope the Blues coaching staff are open minded .
hopefully this was a learning conservative selection. We've only got to do two things to win the comp remember
- get to final
- win final
No chance of a home final now, so you may as well beat the crusaders once only. Kind of like France v the ABs in RWC; it only takes one good game
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Ofa T signs on for 4 more years with the Blues:
@sparky said in Blues 2021:
Ofa T signs on for 4 more years with the Blues:
Wonder how many more reckless cleanouts he can do in that time?
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@sparky said in Blues 2021:
Ofa T signs on for 4 more years with the Blues:
Wonder how many more reckless cleanouts he can do in that time?
10?@frank said in Blues 2021:
@sparky said in Blues 2021:
Ofa T signs on for 4 more years with the Blues:
Wonder how many more reckless cleanouts he can do in that time?
10?any word on the judiciary from last night for Ofa? I haven't seen any media about it, and nothing on the judiciary page that I can see
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@frank said in Blues 2021:
@sparky said in Blues 2021:
Ofa T signs on for 4 more years with the Blues:
Wonder how many more reckless cleanouts he can do in that time?
10?any word on the judiciary from last night for Ofa? I haven't seen any media about it, and nothing on the judiciary page that I can see
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@kiwimurph thanks.
Of the two incidents, I'd put Ofa's worse by some margin. Eklund was stupider, as it clearly contravened the framework - but the risk was pretty low
Edit: Penalty on field = Red (Kurt)
YC on field = Penalty or less (Ofa)
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I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
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I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
I agree, needs to change.
That said, Scooter needed to get his hands off the damn ball!
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I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
@stargazer This also feels like an example of the new World Rugby framework relating to Head Contact Process that came into effective earlier this month being applied.
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I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
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@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
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@kirwan Moody is a proper dirty bugger who sorta flies under the radar a bit. Sort of like his predecessor who wasn't shy of a cheap shot. Ofa cops shit because he does his very openly, and his tackle technique is too high.
@mariner4life said in Blues 2021:
@kirwan Moody is a proper dirty bugger who sorta flies under the radar a bit. Sort of like his predecessor who wasn't shy of a cheap shot. Ofa cops shit because he does his very openly, and his tackle technique is too high.
To be fair, that last one he was pretty low
But you make my point for me, we are far more likely to get punished by a NH ref for acts of thuggery than a high tackle.
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@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
how fucking disgusting is the commentators just ignoring it? and how the fuck is that not a penalty?
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@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
how fucking disgusting is the commentators just ignoring it? and how the fuck is that not a penalty?
@mariner4life Yeah, pretty embarassing to just ignore an elbow to the throat.
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@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
@kirwan Yeah Franks got away with clocking Parsons during a game that same year too.
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@mariner4life said in Blues 2021:
@kirwan Moody is a proper dirty bugger who sorta flies under the radar a bit. Sort of like his predecessor who wasn't shy of a cheap shot. Ofa cops shit because he does his very openly, and his tackle technique is too high.
To be fair, that last one he was pretty low
But you make my point for me, we are far more likely to get punished by a NH ref for acts of thuggery than a high tackle.
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
But you make my point for me, we are far more likely to get punished by a NH ref for acts of thuggery than a high tackle.
To be honest - I'd be pretty doubtful if that was borne out by statistics.
The three red cards the ABs have had in recent times were SBW, Scott Barrett and Ofa. I don't think any of them were for out and out thuggery.
The graph in this article shows we got 56 cards 2008-2017 - the only red one was SBW's - so it seems unlikely that any were for serious thuggery. Plenty will have been for accumulated offences.
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@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
But you make my point for me, we are far more likely to get punished by a NH ref for acts of thuggery than a high tackle.
To be honest - I'd be pretty doubtful if that was borne out by statistics.
The three red cards the ABs have had in recent times were SBW, Scott Barrett and Ofa. I don't think any of them were for out and out thuggery.
The graph in this article shows we got 56 cards 2008-2017 - the only red one was SBW's - so it seems unlikely that any were for serious thuggery. Plenty will have been for accumulated offences.
@chris-b Been more than a few games where we have said "lucky the ref didn't see Moody doing that".
Just addressing Stargazers point about NH refs, more likely to get done on stuff lke that he's been lucky to get away with.
But I guess that doesn't exist because he wasn't penalised for it?
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@chris-b Been more than a few games where we have said "lucky the ref didn't see Moody doing that".
Just addressing Stargazers point about NH refs, more likely to get done on stuff lke that he's been lucky to get away with.
But I guess that doesn't exist because he wasn't penalised for it?
@kirwan The Citing Commissioners tend to pick thuggery up later though. I think Moody might have been done retrospectively for that video you posted. But, I don't think there's a lot of it.
Overwhelmingly, I think we are more likely to suffer a card for a mistimed tackle than for thuggery - because you see the first pretty regularly and the second almost never.
