Blues 2021
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@kiwimurph thanks.
Of the two incidents, I'd put Ofa's worse by some margin. Eklund was stupider, as it clearly contravened the framework - but the risk was pretty low
Edit: Penalty on field = Red (Kurt)
YC on field = Penalty or less (Ofa)
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I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
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I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
I agree, needs to change.
That said, Scooter needed to get his hands off the damn ball!
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I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
@stargazer This also feels like an example of the new World Rugby framework relating to Head Contact Process that came into effective earlier this month being applied.
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I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
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@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
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@kirwan Moody is a proper dirty bugger who sorta flies under the radar a bit. Sort of like his predecessor who wasn't shy of a cheap shot. Ofa cops shit because he does his very openly, and his tackle technique is too high.
@mariner4life said in Blues 2021:
@kirwan Moody is a proper dirty bugger who sorta flies under the radar a bit. Sort of like his predecessor who wasn't shy of a cheap shot. Ofa cops shit because he does his very openly, and his tackle technique is too high.
To be fair, that last one he was pretty low
But you make my point for me, we are far more likely to get punished by a NH ref for acts of thuggery than a high tackle.
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@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
how fucking disgusting is the commentators just ignoring it? and how the fuck is that not a penalty?
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@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
how fucking disgusting is the commentators just ignoring it? and how the fuck is that not a penalty?
@mariner4life Yeah, pretty embarassing to just ignore an elbow to the throat.
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@stargazer said in Blues 2021:
I still have the feeling that Ofa's "technique" is going to cost us big time in a test match, one day. It seems he was just lucky, this time, that it was his arm making first contact with the shoulder, and not his shoulder making first contact with the neck/face. With how the game is officiated in the NH, he's probably going to see a red card if he does this in a test match with a NH referee.
Ofa has too improve his technique, sure. But at least he was trying a clean out and playing rugby.
I'm more worried about Moody costing us with thuggery like this;
@kirwan Yeah Franks got away with clocking Parsons during a game that same year too.
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@mariner4life said in Blues 2021:
@kirwan Moody is a proper dirty bugger who sorta flies under the radar a bit. Sort of like his predecessor who wasn't shy of a cheap shot. Ofa cops shit because he does his very openly, and his tackle technique is too high.
To be fair, that last one he was pretty low
But you make my point for me, we are far more likely to get punished by a NH ref for acts of thuggery than a high tackle.
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
But you make my point for me, we are far more likely to get punished by a NH ref for acts of thuggery than a high tackle.
To be honest - I'd be pretty doubtful if that was borne out by statistics.
The three red cards the ABs have had in recent times were SBW, Scott Barrett and Ofa. I don't think any of them were for out and out thuggery.
The graph in this article shows we got 56 cards 2008-2017 - the only red one was SBW's - so it seems unlikely that any were for serious thuggery. Plenty will have been for accumulated offences.
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@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
But you make my point for me, we are far more likely to get punished by a NH ref for acts of thuggery than a high tackle.
To be honest - I'd be pretty doubtful if that was borne out by statistics.
The three red cards the ABs have had in recent times were SBW, Scott Barrett and Ofa. I don't think any of them were for out and out thuggery.
The graph in this article shows we got 56 cards 2008-2017 - the only red one was SBW's - so it seems unlikely that any were for serious thuggery. Plenty will have been for accumulated offences.
@chris-b Been more than a few games where we have said "lucky the ref didn't see Moody doing that".
Just addressing Stargazers point about NH refs, more likely to get done on stuff lke that he's been lucky to get away with.
But I guess that doesn't exist because he wasn't penalised for it?
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@chris-b Been more than a few games where we have said "lucky the ref didn't see Moody doing that".
Just addressing Stargazers point about NH refs, more likely to get done on stuff lke that he's been lucky to get away with.
But I guess that doesn't exist because he wasn't penalised for it?
@kirwan The Citing Commissioners tend to pick thuggery up later though. I think Moody might have been done retrospectively for that video you posted. But, I don't think there's a lot of it.
Overwhelmingly, I think we are more likely to suffer a card for a mistimed tackle than for thuggery - because you see the first pretty regularly and the second almost never.
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No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
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No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
@chris said in Blues 2021:
No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
One was for a cleanout and another was for a high tackle, so not the same actions.
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@chris said in Blues 2021:
No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
One was for a cleanout and another was for a high tackle, so not the same actions.
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@chris said in Blues 2021:
No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
One was for a cleanout and another was for a high tackle, so not the same actions.
Ok then 2 technical problems to fix ?
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@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@chris said in Blues 2021:
No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
One was for a cleanout and another was for a high tackle, so not the same actions.
Ok then 2 technical problems to fix ?
@chris said in Blues 2021:
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@chris said in Blues 2021:
No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
One was for a cleanout and another was for a high tackle, so not the same actions.
Ok then 2 technical problems to fix ?
So every card is a technical problem to fix?
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@chris said in Blues 2021:
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@chris said in Blues 2021:
No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
One was for a cleanout and another was for a high tackle, so not the same actions.
Ok then 2 technical problems to fix ?
So every card is a technical problem to fix?
@kiwimurph said in Blues 2021:
@chris said in Blues 2021:
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@chris said in Blues 2021:
No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
One was for a cleanout and another was for a high tackle, so not the same actions.
Ok then 2 technical problems to fix ?
So every card is a technical problem to fix?
I don't remember saying that I asked the question is that 2 technical issues to fix for Ofa because if he cleans out like that again he is dicing with a long suspension.
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@kiwimurph said in Blues 2021:
@chris said in Blues 2021:
@kirwan said in Blues 2021:
@chris said in Blues 2021:
No doubt the Refs not just in SR will now be aware and watching Ofa and his clean out technique.After him doing the same in the AB game and getting carded he has reminded every Ref again that there is a problem there.I would expect the spotlight to stay on Ofa for a while.
One was for a cleanout and another was for a high tackle, so not the same actions.
Ok then 2 technical problems to fix ?
So every card is a technical problem to fix?
I don't remember saying that I asked the question is that 2 technical issues to fix for Ofa because if he cleans out like that again he is dicing with a long suspension.
@chris said in Blues 2021:
he cleans out like that again he is dicing with a long suspension
well technically if he cleans out like that again and gets cited he'll get off again.
