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@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
Dear God, please not Gatland
Not sure what to make of your post.
Are you rating Gats and therefore don't want England to be good? Or thinking he'll be a fuck up as you're actually a closet England fan?
Gats is smart enough to stop England consistently underachieving and turn them into a very good team.
But my biggest concern is that, as a Welshman, I have fond memories of the Gatland years, and I'd hate for that to be tarnished. I know WG is a Kiwi and a professional coach, but it still just feels wrong. He's an honorary Welshman, there aren't many things you could do to be stripped of that title, but this is one.
All the coaches are guns for hire and money talks. Remember before he was the Wales boss that Gatland was Head Coach of Ireland.
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
Dear God, please not Gatland
Not sure what to make of your post.
Are you rating Gats and therefore don't want England to be good? Or thinking he'll be a fuck up as you're actually a closet England fan?
Gats is smart enough to stop England consistently underachieving and turn them into a very good team.
But my biggest concern is that, as a Welshman, I have fond memories of the Gatland years, and I'd hate for that to be tarnished. I know WG is a Kiwi and a professional coach, but it still just feels wrong. He's an honorary Welshman, there aren't many things you could do to be stripped of that title, but this is one.
All the coaches are guns for hire and money talks. Remember before he was the Wales boss that Gatland was Head Coach of Ireland.
True but he A) got dumped by Ireland rather than leave after a decade of success, so not quite the reciprocal affection and B) Didn't inflict quite so much pain on the other 6N countries whilst he was with Ireland. I really think England would be a step too far, gun for hire or no.
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
Dear God, please not Gatland
Not sure what to make of your post.
Are you rating Gats and therefore don't want England to be good? Or thinking he'll be a fuck up as you're actually a closet England fan?
Gats is smart enough to stop England consistently underachieving and turn them into a very good team.
But my biggest concern is that, as a Welshman, I have fond memories of the Gatland years, and I'd hate for that to be tarnished. I know WG is a Kiwi and a professional coach, but it still just feels wrong. He's an honorary Welshman, there aren't many things you could do to be stripped of that title, but this is one.
All the coaches are guns for hire and money talks. Remember before he was the Wales boss that Gatland was Head Coach of Ireland.
True but he A) got dumped by Ireland rather than leave after a decade of success, so not quite the reciprocal affection and B) Didn't inflict quite so much pain on the other 6N countries whilst he was with Ireland. I really think England would be a step too far, gun for hire or no.
@catogrande Joe Schmidt is no fan.
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
Dear God, please not Gatland
Not sure what to make of your post.
Are you rating Gats and therefore don't want England to be good? Or thinking he'll be a fuck up as you're actually a closet England fan?
Gats is smart enough to stop England consistently underachieving and turn them into a very good team.
But my biggest concern is that, as a Welshman, I have fond memories of the Gatland years, and I'd hate for that to be tarnished. I know WG is a Kiwi and a professional coach, but it still just feels wrong. He's an honorary Welshman, there aren't many things you could do to be stripped of that title, but this is one.
All the coaches are guns for hire and money talks. Remember before he was the Wales boss that Gatland was Head Coach of Ireland.
True but he A) got dumped by Ireland rather than leave after a decade of success, so not quite the reciprocal affection and B) Didn't inflict quite so much pain on the other 6N countries whilst he was with Ireland. I really think England would be a step too far, gun for hire or no.
@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
Dear God, please not Gatland
Not sure what to make of your post.
Are you rating Gats and therefore don't want England to be good? Or thinking he'll be a fuck up as you're actually a closet England fan?
Gats is smart enough to stop England consistently underachieving and turn them into a very good team.
But my biggest concern is that, as a Welshman, I have fond memories of the Gatland years, and I'd hate for that to be tarnished. I know WG is a Kiwi and a professional coach, but it still just feels wrong. He's an honorary Welshman, there aren't many things you could do to be stripped of that title, but this is one.
All the coaches are guns for hire and money talks. Remember before he was the Wales boss that Gatland was Head Coach of Ireland.
True but he A) got dumped by Ireland rather than leave after a decade of success, so not quite the reciprocal affection and B) Didn't inflict quite so much pain on the other 6N countries whilst he was with Ireland. I really think England would be a step too far, gun for hire or no.
I seem to remember some bloke called Jones being coach of Australia and Japan and assistant coach to South Africa before his current gig. I seem to remember some bloke called Mitchell coaching the All Blacks and the US before his current gig too.
If Gatland is a successful coach whose side wins games and trophies, he will quickly become popular with England fans.
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@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
Dear God, please not Gatland
Not sure what to make of your post.
Are you rating Gats and therefore don't want England to be good? Or thinking he'll be a fuck up as you're actually a closet England fan?
Gats is smart enough to stop England consistently underachieving and turn them into a very good team.
But my biggest concern is that, as a Welshman, I have fond memories of the Gatland years, and I'd hate for that to be tarnished. I know WG is a Kiwi and a professional coach, but it still just feels wrong. He's an honorary Welshman, there aren't many things you could do to be stripped of that title, but this is one.
All the coaches are guns for hire and money talks. Remember before he was the Wales boss that Gatland was Head Coach of Ireland.
True but he A) got dumped by Ireland rather than leave after a decade of success, so not quite the reciprocal affection and B) Didn't inflict quite so much pain on the other 6N countries whilst he was with Ireland. I really think England would be a step too far, gun for hire or no.
I seem to remember some bloke called Jones being coach of Australia and Japan and assistant coach to South Africa before his current gig. I seem to remember some bloke called Mitchell coaching the All Blacks and the US before his current gig too.
If Gatland is a successful coach whose side wins games and trophies, he will quickly become popular with England fans.
@sparky I take your point but feel that Gatland is different. He invested God knows how many years with Wales and was very successful in that he won a lot of silverware, quite often at the expense of England. He has a strong attachment to Wales and left on very good terms. Eddie not so much save for his stint in Japan. Mitchell? Has he left anywhere on good terms? Has he won anything at international level?
I just don’t se him going to England and whilst I can see the RFU going for him, not so much the England fan base. I could be wrong and would be prepared to eat humble pie if proved wrong but I won’t be getting my knife and fork out just yet.
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@sparky I take your point but feel that Gatland is different. He invested God knows how many years with Wales and was very successful in that he won a lot of silverware, quite often at the expense of England. He has a strong attachment to Wales and left on very good terms. Eddie not so much save for his stint in Japan. Mitchell? Has he left anywhere on good terms? Has he won anything at international level?
I just don’t se him going to England and whilst I can see the RFU going for him, not so much the England fan base. I could be wrong and would be prepared to eat humble pie if proved wrong but I won’t be getting my knife and fork out just yet.
@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
I could be wrong and would be prepared to eat humble pie
Hats are more traditional around here and some good recipes will be offered.
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@sparky I take your point but feel that Gatland is different. He invested God knows how many years with Wales and was very successful in that he won a lot of silverware, quite often at the expense of England. He has a strong attachment to Wales and left on very good terms. Eddie not so much save for his stint in Japan. Mitchell? Has he left anywhere on good terms? Has he won anything at international level?
I just don’t se him going to England and whilst I can see the RFU going for him, not so much the England fan base. I could be wrong and would be prepared to eat humble pie if proved wrong but I won’t be getting my knife and fork out just yet.
@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky I take your point but feel that Gatland is different. He invested God knows how many years with Wales and was very successful in that he won a lot of silverware, quite often at the expense of England. He has a strong attachment to Wales and left on very good terms. Eddie not so much save for his stint in Japan. Mitchell? Has he left anywhere on good terms? Has he won anything at international level?
I just don’t se him going to England and whilst I can see the RFU going for him, not so much the England fan base. I could be wrong and would be prepared to eat humble pie if proved wrong but I won’t be getting my knife and fork out just yet.
I don't really see the motivation for Gats to coach England, TBH. It's not like he needs the cash and it's not like the prestige would attract him given he's beaten them plenty and is in any event coach of the BIL - probably the pinnacle for any "home nation" player or coach in terms of "prestige"
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@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky I take your point but feel that Gatland is different. He invested God knows how many years with Wales and was very successful in that he won a lot of silverware, quite often at the expense of England. He has a strong attachment to Wales and left on very good terms. Eddie not so much save for his stint in Japan. Mitchell? Has he left anywhere on good terms? Has he won anything at international level?
I just don’t se him going to England and whilst I can see the RFU going for him, not so much the England fan base. I could be wrong and would be prepared to eat humble pie if proved wrong but I won’t be getting my knife and fork out just yet.
I don't really see the motivation for Gats to coach England, TBH. It's not like he needs the cash and it's not like the prestige would attract him given he's beaten them plenty and is in any event coach of the BIL - probably the pinnacle for any "home nation" player or coach in terms of "prestige"
@junior Eddie Jones is on £750,000 a year plus bonuses. It looks like he was on £1 million a year at one stage.
A couple of years of that would set Gats up for a very nice retirement indeed. Plus given England's player strength, they must be realistic world Cup contenders. He seemed to enjoy working with Farrell, Watson, Itoje and Daly during the 2017 Liosn tour too.
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Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
Is it that much of an issue in the women's game? Don't know if you saw the footage, but from what I saw that was penalty only in the men's game. Yellow card at best. Would have thought red card was plenty of punishment.
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@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
Is it that much of an issue in the women's game? Don't know if you saw the footage, but from what I saw that was penalty only in the men's game. Yellow card at best. Would have thought red card was plenty of punishment.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
Is it that much of an issue in the women's game? Don't know if you saw the footage, but from what I saw that was penalty only in the men's game. Yellow card at best. Would have thought red card was plenty of punishment.
Wasn't being gender specific, below the nips for men and women. More than enough body to tackle the ball carrier without either player getting a knock to the head (unless you have shit tackling techinque).
Shoulder/arm contact directly to the head = red all day.
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
Is it that much of an issue in the women's game? Don't know if you saw the footage, but from what I saw that was penalty only in the men's game. Yellow card at best. Would have thought red card was plenty of punishment.
Wasn't being gender specific, below the nips for men and women. More than enough body to tackle the ball carrier without either player getting a knock to the head (unless you have shit tackling techinque).
Shoulder/arm contact directly to the head = red all day.
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
Is it that much of an issue in the women's game? Don't know if you saw the footage, but from what I saw that was penalty only in the men's game. Yellow card at best. Would have thought red card was plenty of punishment.
Wasn't being gender specific, below the nips for men and women. More than enough body to tackle the ball carrier without either player getting a knock to the head (unless you have shit tackling techinque).
Shoulder/arm contact directly to the head = red all day.
See if you can fish out the footage....
You'll probably know I'm in support of what you're stating, but this is heavy handed.
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@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
Is it that much of an issue in the women's game? Don't know if you saw the footage, but from what I saw that was penalty only in the men's game. Yellow card at best. Would have thought red card was plenty of punishment.
Wasn't being gender specific, below the nips for men and women. More than enough body to tackle the ball carrier without either player getting a knock to the head (unless you have shit tackling techinque).
Shoulder/arm contact directly to the head = red all day.
See if you can fish out the footage....
You'll probably know I'm in support of what you're stating, but this is heavy handed.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
Is it that much of an issue in the women's game? Don't know if you saw the footage, but from what I saw that was penalty only in the men's game. Yellow card at best. Would have thought red card was plenty of punishment.
Wasn't being gender specific, below the nips for men and women. More than enough body to tackle the ball carrier without either player getting a knock to the head (unless you have shit tackling techinque).
Shoulder/arm contact directly to the head = red all day.
See if you can fish out the footage....
You'll probably know I'm in support of what you're stating, but this is heavy handed.
I watched it in the link you posted from 10:15
Clear and obvious shoulder / arm hitting the English player's head first. No dipping or slipping so clear red all day, both sexes, all grades of rugby, amateur and professional.
Don't understand how you view this as heavy handed
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Red card AND a 3 week ban. Bloody hell.
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/scottish-prop-cops-ban-after-clumsy-head-contact-against-england/
If that's the only way to teach/encourage/enforce players to hit below the nips then so be it
Is it that much of an issue in the women's game? Don't know if you saw the footage, but from what I saw that was penalty only in the men's game. Yellow card at best. Would have thought red card was plenty of punishment.
Wasn't being gender specific, below the nips for men and women. More than enough body to tackle the ball carrier without either player getting a knock to the head (unless you have shit tackling techinque).
Shoulder/arm contact directly to the head = red all day.
See if you can fish out the footage....
You'll probably know I'm in support of what you're stating, but this is heavy handed.
I watched it in the link you posted from 10:15
Clear and obvious shoulder / arm hitting the English player's head first. No dipping or slipping so clear red all day, both sexes, all grades of rugby, amateur and professional.
Don't understand how you view this as heavy handed
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@mikethesnow I'll have to watch it again, but on my initial viewing it appeared to hardly even make an impact.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow I'll have to watch it again, but on my initial viewing it appeared to hardly even make an impact.
I didn't really think it mattered - but it looks like it's 'low' degree of danger. I thought clear red on first look, but the framework may suggest a yellow instead. Clumsy rather than brutal.
updated Head Contact Process (not sure which is used now)
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow I'll have to watch it again, but on my initial viewing it appeared to hardly even make an impact.
I didn't really think it mattered - but it looks like it's 'low' degree of danger. I thought clear red on first look, but the framework may suggest a yellow instead. Clumsy rather than brutal.
updated Head Contact Process (not sure which is used now)
@nzzp said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@mikethesnow I'll have to watch it again, but on my initial viewing it appeared to hardly even make an impact.
I didn't really think it mattered - but it looks like it's 'low' degree of danger. I thought clear red on first look, but the framework may suggest a yellow instead. Clumsy rather than brutal.
updated Head Contact Process (not sure which is used now)
I agree that the degree of danger appears either low or medium. I would have gone for a YC myself.
I am now an ex-referee. My only role in rugby these days is on a judiciary panel.
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Japan National Team Wider Training Squad for 2021
The Japan Rugby Football Union has today announced the 52 players and team staff who will make up the Japan National Team Wider Training Squad for 2021.
Players have been selected from both the domestic Top League and from oversees clubs, while Head Coach Jamie Joseph will work with the same coaching team of Tony Brown, Scott Hansen, and Shin Hasegawa, that lead the Brave Blossoms to the knockout stages at the Rugby World Cup 2019.Full squad under the link, just wanted to highlight the inclusion of these players:
Craig Millar
Mark Abbott
Liaki Moliand a few Aussies.
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@stargazer said in NH International Rugby:
Hats off to Samoa and the Barbarians for nailing down the details of this fixture a long way in advance. Brilliant organisation given all that's going on.
