All Blacks 2021

mariner4life

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

Line up vs Italy: (If they first up)

Joe Moody

Codie Taylor

Nepo Laulala

Scott Barrett

Sam Whitelock (c)

Shannon Frizzell

Dalton Papalii

Ardie Savea

Aaron Smith (mabie captan?)

Richie Mo'unga

Caleb Clarke

Jack Goodhue

Anton Lenert-Brown

Will Jordan

Jordie Barrett

Alex Hogman

Afaso Aumua

Tyrell Lomax

Patrick Tuipulotu

Akira Ioane

Brad Webber

Damian McKenzie

Leicester Fainga'anuku

If Italy are first up the All Blacks will play close to their strongest side.

I for one would like to commend the much maligned Super rugby coaches for their ability to turn players that not 8 months ago weren't good test players in to good test players.

Bones

Yeah can't say I see them selecting a squad with zero crusaders loosies.

Hunt is a large no.

sparky

There are really very few players from outside last year's All Blacks squad putting their hand up and looking ready for selecting at international level.

Mackerzzzz

@bones said in All Blacks 2021:

Yeah can't say I see them selecting a squad with zero crusaders loosies.

Hunt is a large no.

Who would you bring in then.

And who for

Mackerzzzz

@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

There are really very few players from outside last year's All Blacks squad putting their hand up and looking ready for selecting at international level.

Yeah other than Lester Fianganuku and Folau fakatava would have been

African Monkey

So who gets the 3rd halfback spot with Perenara away and Fakatava injured? Does anyone deserve it?

taniwharugby

@african-monkey said in All Blacks 2021:

So who gets the 3rd halfback spot with Perenara away and Fakatava injured? Does anyone deserve it?

not really, most consistent probably Hall although he is 29, so not really looking forward?

Bovidae

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

@african-monkey said in All Blacks 2021:

So who gets the 3rd halfback spot with Perenara away and Fakatava injured? Does anyone deserve it?

not really, most consistent probably Hall although he is 29, so not really looking forward?

And Drummond was preferred by the AB coaches previously. It will be hard for the likes of Nock and TTT to push their case if they either aren't playing regularly, or getting so few minutes of gametime for their SR teams.

sparky

@african-monkey TTT

KiwiMurph

Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?

Mackerzzzz

@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?

Not vs italy mid season

I think he is for rugby championship tho

Mackerzzzz

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?

Not vs italy mid season

I think he is for rugby championship tho

In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy

Crucial

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

What I think the squad should be:

Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, ~~Joe Moody~~, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax, ??

Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua

Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i

Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson

Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber, ~~Finlay Christie~~ ??

Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga, ~~Josh Ioane, Mitch Hunt~~Otere Black

Centre: ~~Jack Goodhue~~, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, ~~Ngani Laumape~~, Havili/Tupaea/Faiane

Wing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke, ~~Sevu Reece~~, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George Bridge

Have adjusted for injuries and opinion.

Bovidae

They might not need such a large squad with the 3 home tests against Fiji and Italy. That could be expanded for the RC.

If Moody is out long-term then Bower probably comes into the frame as he was a replacement player last year. Other options could include Ross and Johnstone. de Groot looks handy for a young LH. Moli if he gets back to playing soon.

Crucial

Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson

6: 2
6/8: 1
7: 1
7/8: 1
8: 1

So 3 6s, 2 7s and 3 eights.

Think I would prefer another 7 option instead of Robinson. Could be time for Boshier to come back and pick up from pre-injury form,

Crucial

@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

They might not need such a large squad with the 3 home tests against Fiji and Italy. That could be expanded for the RC.

If Moody is out long-term then Bower probably comes into the frame as he was a replacement player last year. Other options could include Ross and Johnstone. de Groot looks handy for a young LH. Moli if he gets back to playing soon.

Bower wasn't great yesterday. Ross has been solid. Agree on de Groot (looks promising)

gt12

@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson

5/6: 1
6: 1
6/8: 1
7: 1
7/8: 1
8: 1

Looks about right to me. If they were going to pull the chain on someone, it might actually be Hoskins, as Akira is a 6/8. Alternatively Frizell is really only a 6, so if he isn’t first choice he could be in doubt (with his form, I can’t see it).

I guess it depends on who they want at 8, because if it is Ardie then another 7 could come into play.

I guess they will put Ardie at 7 (Paps on the bench with Robinson as lock/6), and given that Ardie often goes at 8 off the scrum, they may put Akira at 8 as that is one of his weaknesses, with most likely Frizell holding 6 (due to form).

Mackerzzzz

@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

What I think the squad should be:

Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, ~~Joe Moody~~, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax, ??

Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua

Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i

Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson

Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber, ~~Finlay Christie~~ ??

Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga, ~~Josh Ioane, Mitch Hunt~~Otere Black

Centre: ~~Jack Goodhue~~, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, ~~Ngani Laumape~~, Havili/Tupaea/Faiane

Wing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke, ~~Sevu Reece~~, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George Bridge

Have adjusted for injuries and opinion.

I like otere but I'm not sure he offers enough to be an all black

Crucial

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

What I think the squad should be:

Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, ~~Joe Moody~~, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax, ??

Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua

Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i

Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson

Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber, ~~Finlay Christie~~ ??

Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga, ~~Josh Ioane, Mitch Hunt~~Otere Black

Centre: ~~Jack Goodhue~~, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, ~~Ngani Laumape~~, Havili/Tupaea/Faiane

Wing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke, ~~Sevu Reece~~, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George Bridge

Have adjusted for injuries and opinion.

I like otere but I'm not sure he offers enough to be an all black

We are talking a stop gap selection. II actually agree with you and think that Ioane has far more potential.Does he have the personal maturity yet though?

Your comment made me think though. Given the financial situation and the way contracts work with the RPA if a player is named in the first AB squad of the year I think they are then on the AB payroll for the next 12 months.
Will that effect squad selection? Do the bean counters have a say? Do the selectors have to make a good case or just have some backups invited to camp to train without 'proper' selection.?
I can see them possibly taking only RM as a 10 (with DMac as reserve) and only two 9s. 6 outside backs also seems a luxury when 4 plus DMac would suffice (especially so if Havili is in as midfield cover)

Kiwiwomble

@crucial i cant decided if i think Ioane would respond well or poorly if selected. would he realise what he could miss out on or would he think he's bullet proof

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All Blacks 2021