EPL 2020/2021
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@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I'm not so sure they will. The EPL clubs are still cash cows. Just not so much right now
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For over 25 years now the threat of forming a super league has been held over UEFA, forcing the reform of the European Champions Cup into the European Champions League in the mid-90s. Plus all the further tweaks since then to entry conditions and TV money distribution.
In just 48 hours they have destroyed their 30 year old bargaining leverage that they could hold over them. They called their own bluff and lost.
Uefa and mid-range clubs could use this opportunity to re-balance it a bit. But, they won't.
But the threat has disappeared for at least a decade. It's now a hollow threat.
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@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I'm not so sure they will. The EPL clubs are still cash cows. Just not so much right now
@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I'm not so sure they will. The EPL clubs are still cash cows. Just not so much right now
im not sure they will either, just wondering if any will, if this super league was so important to them....
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@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I think the two Spanish giants will need to partially privatise, now.
So, ironically, the change of ownership we could see from this will see 2 of the member owned clubs go partially private. They have like 1 billion dollar debts secured either against increasing future income or option to sell the currently un-monetised ownership of the club.
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@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I think the two Spanish giants will need to partially privatise, now.
So, ironically, the change of ownership we could see from this will see 2 of the member owned clubs go partially private. They have like 1 billion dollar debts secured either against increasing future income or option to sell the currently un-monetised ownership of the club.
@rapido said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I think the two Spanish giants will need to partially privatise, now.
So, ironically, the change of ownership we could see from this will see 2 of the member owned clubs go partially private. They have like 1 billion dollar debts secured either against increasing future income or option to sell the currently un-monetised ownership of the club.
Who owns them right now?
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@rapido said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I think the two Spanish giants will need to partially privatise, now.
So, ironically, the change of ownership we could see from this will see 2 of the member owned clubs go partially private. They have like 1 billion dollar debts secured either against increasing future income or option to sell the currently un-monetised ownership of the club.
Who owns them right now?
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@canefan yeah, i potentially foolishly thought the spanish clubs were owned by the fans, will google
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@canefan yeah, i potentially foolishly thought the spanish clubs were owned by the fans, will google
I thought RM was always referred to as Franco's team. So maybe owned by the provincial government?
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haha what a fucking joke
i am astounded at the stupidity of people in charge of that much money. Now they all look fucking idiotic. And weak, so weak.
As a casual Liverpool supporter, who already had his interest reduced by the move to Optus Sports, this is pretty much the final straw. The owners were willing to chuck everyone aside given the opportunity. So fuck 'em.
Not that they care, i didn't spend a dime on the club or their product anyway.
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@rapido said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I think the two Spanish giants will need to partially privatise, now.
So, ironically, the change of ownership we could see from this will see 2 of the member owned clubs go partially private. They have like 1 billion dollar debts secured either against increasing future income or option to sell the currently un-monetised ownership of the club.
Who owns them right now?
@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rapido said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel If these US owners leave with their tails between their legs, then the last 48 h would have been worth it.
yeah, could be interesting if any of these clubs end up on the market, if the owners are pissed off enough
I think the two Spanish giants will need to partially privatise, now.
So, ironically, the change of ownership we could see from this will see 2 of the member owned clubs go partially private. They have like 1 billion dollar debts secured either against increasing future income or option to sell the currently un-monetised ownership of the club.
Who owns them right now?
Their members.
Their members elect a president, who serves for 4 years, who then makes decisions on their behalf and runs the club. Both clubs have been happy to elect presidents who have built up billion dollar debts to compete with the higher domestic TV money in the the EPL, they don't just compete though, they out-compete.
If Madrid and Barca want to continue competing financially against the other European giants, their most likely option will eventually be to privatise part of the club. They've already maxed out their borrowing against hard assets and future TV income.
That is not necesarily a disaster. IIRC only 3 of the Spanish clubs are member owned (I can't remeber the third, maybe Athletic Bilbao?), the rest are private owned.
As for partial privatisation, that is the common German model. Bayern are 88% member owned, rest private,.
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AFC Wimbledon welcomes any disenfranchise fans looking for a club run and owned by the fans
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So unfair. These guys were just “saving football”.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56812151
“Perez said the move had been made because young people are "no longer interested in football" because of "a lot of poor quality games".”
That’s the spirit!
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Haha, what a shit show. Or comedy gold?
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haha what a fucking joke
i am astounded at the stupidity of people in charge of that much money. Now they all look fucking idiotic. And weak, so weak.
As a casual Liverpool supporter, who already had his interest reduced by the move to Optus Sports, this is pretty much the final straw. The owners were willing to chuck everyone aside given the opportunity. So fuck 'em.
Not that they care, i didn't spend a dime on the club or their product anyway.
@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
haha what a fucking joke
i am astounded at the stupidity of people in charge of that much money. Now they all look fucking idiotic. And weak, so weak.
As a casual Liverpool supporter, who already had his interest reduced by the move to Optus Sports, this is pretty much the final straw. The owners were willing to chuck everyone aside given the opportunity. So fuck 'em.
Not that they care, i didn't spend a dime on the club or their product anyway.
Casual?
Amazing how quiet the 19/20 passionate Liverpool fans have been of late.
Turns out it was because they were joining the Super League.
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haha what a fucking joke
i am astounded at the stupidity of people in charge of that much money. Now they all look fucking idiotic. And weak, so weak.
As a casual Liverpool supporter, who already had his interest reduced by the move to Optus Sports, this is pretty much the final straw. The owners were willing to chuck everyone aside given the opportunity. So fuck 'em.
Not that they care, i didn't spend a dime on the club or their product anyway.
@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
i am astounded at the stupidity of people in charge of that much money. Now they all look fucking idiotic. And weak, so weak.
Pretty compelling evidence that the mega-rich don't acquire their wealth by vastly superior intelligence compared to the rest of us.
Probably compelling evidence that excessive wealth is undeserved and should be taxed at about 99%!
Edit: As long as the rest of us get an off-setting tax break - the government doesn't deserve more money, either!
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Perhaps not all in vain. What major differences between that and what UEFA appear to be moving to?
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Perhaps not all in vain. What major differences between that and what UEFA appear to be moving to?
@antipodean said in EPL 2020/2021:
Perhaps not all in vain. What major differences between that and what UEFA appear to be moving to?
Aren't UEFA expanding the number of teams in the UCL? So more group games? I thought the argument was that too many group games against lesser known opposition was boring, and that the people wanted more marquee matchups (which begs the question why were we, Spurs, there?
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@antipodean said in EPL 2020/2021:
Perhaps not all in vain. What major differences between that and what UEFA appear to be moving to?
Aren't UEFA expanding the number of teams in the UCL? So more group games? I thought the argument was that too many group games against lesser known opposition was boring, and that the people wanted more marquee matchups (which begs the question why were we, Spurs, there?
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@canefan I guess an expanded Champions League is preferable to playing perennial cellar dwellers in domestic comps?
@antipodean said in EPL 2020/2021:
@canefan I guess an expanded Champions League is preferable to playing perennial cellar dwellers in domestic comps?
My understanding was the ESL was to run in direct competition to the UCL. The individual domestic leagues were not to be affected. Obviously UEFA were upset because they were set to be cut out of the loop by a big group of cash cows, and the other teams in each league were upset because the foundation 12 were fixtures, making qualification for all of them into this new lucrative comp very difficult
