What’s out there at Second Five?
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@Chester-Draws said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I'm not convinced a primarily crash ball merchant is that useful in international rugby. They can all tackle, no matter how big their opponent. What works at Super level isn't what works at test level. If you want to crash in mid-field the get your big wingers to do it.
So I think we can write Jordie Barrett out of that option with Foster. He'd already be doing it from wing if Foster thought a big man going up the middle is what he wanted. Actually, I think it might be a good move for a change -- and better than hoofing it high yet one more time -- but adding a player just to do that is a non-starter.
(And Nonu developed his game while he wasn't an AB. They dropped him as midfielder because all he offered was bash, and only picked him again after he worked on the other parts of his game. Picking a guy and developing him in the position while excluding better players that option is just daft. Why not play ALB and teach him to offload like SBW? Or pick Goodhue and put 10 kgs on him and make him a master crash man? Just saying those things makes them sound stupid. But teaching a guy whose been around years to develop an all-round game is sensible?)
Mate, did you watch the opening minutes of our RWC semi final?
@junior said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Mate, did you watch the opening minutes of our RWC semi final?
We should use the crash on the fact in one game we failed to tackle well? That's bizarre.
(We just watched a series of games where all the Argies did was smash it up, and it proved singularly uneffective. Luckily for them, our strategy was worse, but that does not make theirs good. )
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Back on topic, the short answer is fuck-all, isn't it?
That's why they've been trying to shoe-horn Goodhue in there all year. They picked the wrong one of the two good midfielders to move, but you can see the reasoning at least. Can't see any reasoning in the outside backs.
Laumape deserved a shot on form but was injured, then got one go and didn't do much outside an out of position fullback and one of the worst AB halfback performances you could ever hope not to see. I'm not a fan of his style of play, but that's pretty harsh on a bloke who has been a real stand-out at the level below, and made a number of his team-mates look pretty stupid this year. -
@mofitzy_ said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Moala ain't coming back.
Should never have been let go.
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@pakman said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
George Moala in several European Cup team of week selections at 12.
https://www.planetrugby.com/team-of-the-week-champions-cup-round-one-3/
Maori Jesus reserve 12!
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@gunner said in Blues 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in Blues 2021:
Is Nock injured or something? Becuase hes was good last season and at the start of this...
Still paying the price for being on the end of a dubious yellow card call in one of the two games he has played?
that was rough, too. Justin Marshall (as usual) got it wrong. It looked bad, though, and that's enough
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13).. -
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..Not that different to Chiefs and Highlanders really. Since the Chiefs lost the world's greatest midfielder to the Euro they have chopped and changed ALB around to fit whoever else was playing that week. Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position to nail down and even the Saders have had to move Goodhue in one until injuries forced the hand of Haviili to play there and prove to be a success..
We simply don't have enough quality 12s which, in part, is due to it being a position that is at the whim of the coaching. Do they want a straight runner ala Laumape or a 2nd 5/8? Nonu was a freak in that he developed into a combo of both. Doesn't encourage many to specialise there. Most hedge their bets with being a 'centre'
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I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
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@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
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@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..Not that different to Chiefs and Highlanders really. Since the Chiefs lost the world's greatest midfielder to the Euro they have chopped and changed ALB around to fit whoever else was playing that week. Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position to nail down and even the Saders have had to move Goodhue in one until injuries forced the hand of Haviili to play there and prove to be a success..
We simply don't have enough quality 12s which, in part, is due to it being a position that is at the whim of the coaching. Do they want a straight runner ala Laumape or a 2nd 5/8? Nonu was a freak in that he developed into a combo of both. Doesn't encourage many to specialise there. Most hedge their bets with being a 'centre'
@crucial said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..Not that different to Chiefs and Highlanders really. Since the Chiefs lost the world's greatest midfielder to the Euro they have chopped and changed ALB around to fit whoever else was playing that week. Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position to nail down and even the Saders have had to move Goodhue in one until injuries forced the hand of Haviili to play there and prove to be a success..
We simply don't have enough quality 12s which, in part, is due to it being a position that is at the whim of the coaching. Do they want a straight runner ala Laumape or a 2nd 5/8? Nonu was a freak in that he developed into a combo of both. Doesn't encourage many to specialise there. Most hedge their bets with being a 'centre'
We don't really have many 2nd 5/8s do we?
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@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
No. He is the aforementioned 'world's greatest midfielder'
Wish we still had him in the mix.
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@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
No. He is the aforementioned 'world's greatest midfielder'
Wish we still had him in the mix.
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@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..Not that different to Chiefs and Highlanders really. Since the Chiefs lost the world's greatest midfielder to the Euro they have chopped and changed ALB around to fit whoever else was playing that week. Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position to nail down and even the Saders have had to move Goodhue in one until injuries forced the hand of Haviili to play there and prove to be a success..
We simply don't have enough quality 12s which, in part, is due to it being a position that is at the whim of the coaching. Do they want a straight runner ala Laumape or a 2nd 5/8? Nonu was a freak in that he developed into a combo of both. Doesn't encourage many to specialise there. Most hedge their bets with being a 'centre'
@crucial said in Blues 2021:
Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position
Not quite true really, Highlanders found an excellent 12 and after finally getting him and his midfield partner into prime form, disappeared them.
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@crucial said in Blues 2021:
Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position
Not quite true really, Highlanders found an excellent 12 and after finally getting him and his midfield partner into prime form, disappeared them.
@bones said in Blues 2021:
@crucial said in Blues 2021:
Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position
Not quite true really, Highlanders found an excellent 12 and after finally getting him and his midfield partner into prime form, disappeared them.
Currently coaching his old school 1st XV.
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@bones said in Blues 2021:
@crucial said in Blues 2021:
Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position
Not quite true really, Highlanders found an excellent 12 and after finally getting him and his midfield partner into prime form, disappeared them.
Currently coaching his old school 1st XV.
@bovidae said in Blues 2021:
@bones said in Blues 2021:
@crucial said in Blues 2021:
Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position
Not quite true really, Highlanders found an excellent 12 and after finally getting him and his midfield partner into prime form, disappeared them.
Currently coaching his old school 1st XV.
Not surprised he's got into coaching after seeing the shit show that got one of the top jobs last year.
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ALB is the best 12 in the country. Hands down. Outside him for the All Blacks we have a ton of options in Goodhue, Ennor, PUJ and Ioane. In a 23 either Goodhue provides cover for 12 as the starting 13, or off the bench, or we have the impact of Laumape off the bench, or try Havili'i off the bench. It's not really that bad. Even Dallas McLeod has shown signs this season of settling into SR level and then potentially making the leap.
