Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?
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Dane Coles speaks:
"It's a big decision," Coles told Newshub. "We've always known where New Zealand Rugby's decision lied (sic). They're really keen for it, and that's fair. "This is a very big decision though. It's something we could look back [on] in 100 years and say 'why did we make that decision?' or we could look back in 100 years and say 'we're glad we made that decision.' "I know the Players Association have got the players' best interests at heart. If it was about the money, we'd say yes, plain and simple - but it's not about the money. "It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it. "[It's] something that might work, it's something that might not. -
Dane Coles speaks:
"It's a big decision," Coles told Newshub. "We've always known where New Zealand Rugby's decision lied (sic). They're really keen for it, and that's fair. "This is a very big decision though. It's something we could look back [on] in 100 years and say 'why did we make that decision?' or we could look back in 100 years and say 'we're glad we made that decision.' "I know the Players Association have got the players' best interests at heart. If it was about the money, we'd say yes, plain and simple - but it's not about the money. "It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it. "[It's] something that might work, it's something that might not.@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
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@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
@taniwharugby said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
i don't trust the players or the Unions to see beyond their own needs/wants short term
not sure i trust the NZRU either really
So maybe it's a no then aye?
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@taniwharugby said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
i don't trust the players or the Unions to see beyond their own needs/wants short term
not sure i trust the NZRU either really
So maybe it's a no then aye?
@mariner4life said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@taniwharugby said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
i don't trust the players or the Unions to see beyond their own needs/wants short term
not sure i trust the NZRU either really
So maybe it's a no then aye?
but all the unions agree...that means this meets all the unions needs/wants....what else is there, it cant really effect the fan experience tha much can it, maybe im missing something
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@mariner4life said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@taniwharugby said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
i don't trust the players or the Unions to see beyond their own needs/wants short term
not sure i trust the NZRU either really
So maybe it's a no then aye?
but all the unions agree...that means this meets all the unions needs/wants....what else is there, it cant really effect the fan experience tha much can it, maybe im missing something
@kiwiwomble said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@mariner4life said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@taniwharugby said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
i don't trust the players or the Unions to see beyond their own needs/wants short term
not sure i trust the NZRU either really
So maybe it's a no then aye?
but all the unions agree...that means this meets all the unions needs/wants....what else is there, it cant really effect the fan experience tha much can it, maybe im missing something
it is the greed of the players wanting more money ? I am not sure what else they are holding back on.
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@taniwharugby said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
i don't trust the players or the Unions to see beyond their own needs/wants short term
not sure i trust the NZRU either really
So maybe it's a no then aye?
@mariner4life fair point, but my point about them being at least a bit more interested and knowledgeable about grass roots stands.
In terms of the RPA, and a few high profile players, I wonder how much sway the players have?
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@kiwiwomble said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@mariner4life said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@taniwharugby said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@bovidae said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
"It's about leaving the game in the best hands, and having the future as bright as we can, and looking after everyone, and not selling a percentage of it.
So all the unions are in favour, the people much closer to grass roots than the fish heads at NZR and id argue many players at super level and above, so something is amiss.
i don't trust the players or the Unions to see beyond their own needs/wants short term
not sure i trust the NZRU either really
So maybe it's a no then aye?
but all the unions agree...that means this meets all the unions needs/wants....what else is there, it cant really effect the fan experience tha much can it, maybe im missing something
it is the greed of the players wanting more money ? I am not sure what else they are holding back on.
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@chris you'd hope it isn't as simple as the players (especially the high profile ones) wanting a bigger slice, I wouldn't have issues with some NPC players being paid more
@taniwharugby said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@chris you'd hope it isn't as simple as the players (especially the high profile ones) wanting a bigger slice, I wouldn't have issues with NPC players being paid more
I would hope so,But I haven't seem much evidence on what else the player are objecting too.
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At the end of the day, how will this be implemented without the players spending more time on the paddock, likely with more international travel?
The big big money comes from the efforts of about 40 guys a year, so I think it's fair for them to be worried about the effect of what might be expected from them when the NZRU needs to generate more revenue.
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At the end of the day, how will this be implemented without the players spending more time on the paddock, likely with more international travel?
The big big money comes from the efforts of about 40 guys a year, so I think it's fair for them to be worried about the effect of what might be expected from them when the NZRU needs to generate more revenue.
I wonder what they will bring that a group of dedicated and well paid NZ business types couldn't..
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i think i should add something that might explain my "casualness" too this all
I follow Wimbledon in UK football. We had out club stolen, ground sold off team moved 70 miles away, badge and colours changed etc, the only thing left was the legal entity that use to own the club and even that they changed the name of
....so we started a new club back in wimbledon...and its better than the old one was...the fans ultimately make sports clubs
If they do too much that we as fans dont like...someone will form a break away comp...or we'll all go back to watching club rugby or something and we'll have an invitational team that wears black with a non trademarked silver fern on the front.
They cant kill rugby in NZ, so lets try and take their money and see if we can make things more sustainable....and if not we'll try something else
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At the end of the day, how will this be implemented without the players spending more time on the paddock, likely with more international travel?
The big big money comes from the efforts of about 40 guys a year, so I think it's fair for them to be worried about the effect of what might be expected from them when the NZRU needs to generate more revenue.
@gt12 well not really, they are the result of the mums and dads that volunteer every week while thier child plays rugby with hopes of becoming an AB one day, even though most will only get to club footy level, and in recent years plenty drop out before then.
That is what I hope these guys are 'fighting' for.
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Would like to see it all laid out....
Still don’t know exactly what “access” these SL guys bring to new markets that couldn’t be replicated with a 100% ownership model and some debt funding? Still just smoke an mirrors.
Someone said on Radio that Provinces were getting an injection of $45m. Spread between the Unions that’s not much?
But the standoff and verbal exchanges is pretty shit. Don’t like it at all.
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I wonder what they will bring that a group of dedicated and well paid NZ business types couldn't..
@nostrildamus said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
I wonder what they will bring that a group of dedicated and well paid NZ business types couldn't..
The connections and experience of multi billion dollar companies - quite a lot really.
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The big question is that if this is forced through will Aaron Smith send the NZRU an after David?
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At the end of the day, how will this be implemented without the players spending more time on the paddock, likely with more international travel?
The big big money comes from the efforts of about 40 guys a year, so I think it's fair for them to be worried about the effect of what might be expected from them when the NZRU needs to generate more revenue.
@gt12 said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
At the end of the day, how will this be implemented without the players spending more time on the paddock, likely with more international travel?
The big big money comes from the efforts of about 40 guys a year, so I think it's fair for them to be worried about the effect of what might be expected from them when the NZRU needs to generate more revenue.
Exactly what I am going on about in my posts earlier.
NZ rugby started the slide to unsustainably once the SR franchises became cash drains rather than cash generating assets. In years after 2007.
It's the competitions that needs the investment. Not the top heavy current inverted pyramid.
If Silver Lake can buy into the comp and front load a cash injection to get TT SR off and running, and then Pacific Champions Cup with Japan clubs. Then yes, I'd be for it and could see the vision.
If SL can facilitate a TRC that includes the potential big markets of USA and Japan included, then yes I'd buy into that.
But, they're not.
What's changing? Except the chance for the provinces to piss away NZU equity for the price of meaningless AB exhibition friendlies.
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A couple of things which I find interesting:
(1) NZR only needs the support of more than 50 per cent of provincial unions (it was unanimous) but the NZRPA essentially has veto rights.
(2) The South Canterbury CEO said that "Two hundred and seventy players are holding us to ransom a bit".Does this mean that NZRPA only represents the SR players and I assume the contracted sevens players?
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@gt12 well not really, they are the result of the mums and dads that volunteer every week while thier child plays rugby with hopes of becoming an AB one day, even though most will only get to club footy level, and in recent years plenty drop out before then.
That is what I hope these guys are 'fighting' for.
I'd hope so too, but they are also professional footy players who are most likely to wear the extra work that will result from this action, and it doesn't appear that they will be getting any extra cash out of it.
I don't see why we should be asking a small group of people to most likely take on extra work for the same pay. In fact, it sounds like a recipe to lose players, not keep them.
I'll admit that I lean towards their side though, so that probably tints my thinking.
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I'd hope so too, but they are also professional footy players who are most likely to wear the extra work that will result from this action, and it doesn't appear that they will be getting any extra cash out of it.
I don't see why we should be asking a small group of people to most likely take on extra work for the same pay. In fact, it sounds like a recipe to lose players, not keep them.
I'll admit that I lean towards their side though, so that probably tints my thinking.
@gt12 yea need to keep a good eye on the shop window, then the top selling super rugby in the shop, then the NPC in the back corner, but its the work in the factory out the back with school and club footy where you really need to ensure it is running as good as it can to keep the shop window looking great.
As to the players, has it said specifically they won't get any more money? I mean there is very little room in the calendar for all these extra matches people say they will have to play.
I expect doors will open for endorsements to earn more money though.
