Blues 2021
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@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nogusta said in Blues 2021:
So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?
AJ Lam had a tremendous few minutes on the park. High workrate, chased down the kickoff from the Blues at 19-19, and did a good job.
Not saying he'll keep that up for 80 min, but I was impressed.
I would go for Lam as well
It's interesting how many 14's there are. Caleb started every match at 11, Telea mostly was the 14 but occasionally it was Heem.
So the Blues really are looking for an 11Lam, Narawa and Kneepkens consistently started on the right wing for their provinces
@duluth said in Blues 2021:
@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nogusta said in Blues 2021:
So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?
AJ Lam had a tremendous few minutes on the park. High workrate, chased down the kickoff from the Blues at 19-19, and did a good job.
Not saying he'll keep that up for 80 min, but I was impressed.
I would go for Lam as well
It's interesting how many 14's there are. Caleb started every match at 11, Telea mostly was the 14 but occasionally it was Heem.
So the Blues really are looking for an 11Lam, Narawa and Kneepkens consistently started on the right wing for their provinces
I want them to move Reiko there, he's their best left wing.
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@duluth said in Blues 2021:
@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nogusta said in Blues 2021:
So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?
AJ Lam had a tremendous few minutes on the park. High workrate, chased down the kickoff from the Blues at 19-19, and did a good job.
Not saying he'll keep that up for 80 min, but I was impressed.
I would go for Lam as well
It's interesting how many 14's there are. Caleb started every match at 11, Telea mostly was the 14 but occasionally it was Heem.
So the Blues really are looking for an 11Lam, Narawa and Kneepkens consistently started on the right wing for their provinces
I want them to move Reiko there, he's their best left wing.
@nepia said in Blues 2021:
he's their best left wing
and he's the best centre
There's a queue of exciting young wingers that are worth a look. The same can't be said for 13
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@nepia said in Blues 2021:
he's their best left wing
and he's the best centre
There's a queue of exciting young wingers that are worth a look. The same can't be said for 13
@duluth said in Blues 2021:
@nepia said in Blues 2021:
he's their best left wing
and he's the best centre
There's a queue of exciting young wingers that are worth a look. The same can't be said for 13
For all those people moaning about his distrubition, check out his pass to Sullivan for his try. Perfect.
Some of the other Blues players could take a leaf out of his book, so many passes going behind the player, kills the attack.
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@nepia said in Blues 2021:
he's their best left wing
and he's the best centre
There's a queue of exciting young wingers that are worth a look. The same can't be said for 13
@duluth said in Blues 2021:
@nepia said in Blues 2021:
he's their best left wing
and he's the best centre
There's a queue of exciting young wingers that are worth a look. The same can't be said for 13
I don't disagree with any of that, but I'd like to see him reinstalled as AB 11.
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the blues need to find a backline and stick to it. the Plummer in 12 idea and even piriofeta in 15 has not worked.
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the blues need to find a backline and stick to it. the Plummer in 12 idea and even piriofeta in 15 has not worked.
@mackerzzzz said in Blues 2021:
the blues need to find a backline and stick to it. the Plummer in 12 idea and even piriofeta in 15 has not worked.
There best backline for me:
- Nock
- Black
- Clarke/ or Lam
- Faiane
- Ioane
- Heem
- Sullivan
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@mackerzzzz said in Blues 2021:
the blues need to find a backline and stick to it. the Plummer in 12 idea and even piriofeta in 15 has not worked.
There best backline for me:
- Nock
- Black
- Clarke/ or Lam
- Faiane
- Ioane
- Heem
- Sullivan
@mackerzzzz said in Blues 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in Blues 2021:
the blues need to find a backline and stick to it. the Plummer in 12 idea and even piriofeta in 15 has not worked.
There best backline for me:
- Nock
- Black
- Clarke/ or Lam
- Faiane
- Ioane
- Heem
- Sullivan
Don't kind 14 and 15.
For me, swap 10 BB, 14 Lam and 15 JB and it's all good
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@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nogusta said in Blues 2021:
So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?
AJ Lam had a tremendous few minutes on the park. High workrate, chased down the kickoff from the Blues at 19-19, and did a good job.
Not saying he'll keep that up for 80 min, but I was impressed.
I would go for Lam as well
It's interesting how many 14's there are. Caleb started every match at 11, Telea mostly was the 14 but occasionally it was Heem.
So the Blues really are looking for an 11Lam, Narawa and Kneepkens consistently started on the right wing for their provinces
@duluth Mark Telea back on the left wing? He was way better on the left wing than on the right last year, but got shifted to the right because of Caleb.
Lam played on the left wing in pre-season and played left wing off the bench against the Canes, so he's an option there.
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@snowy said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@nzzp said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@bovidae second year syndrome - suddenly you get marked, and you lift your game
Yep. Use the extra attention to distribute / offload and find the space that is created elsewhere. Maybe that is why he keeps heading infield rather than trying to go outside? Trying to link up, rather than go over or through a couple of defenders.
yeah but it helps if you have the ball..
overall impression I get is the Blues have talent, not always in the right position, but skill-wise and tactically have stalled or gone backwards.
That suggests limitations in coaching. -
overall impression I get is the Blues have talent, not always in the right position, but skill-wise and tactically have stalled or gone backwards.
That suggests limitations in coaching.@nostrildamus said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
overall impression I get is the Blues have talent, not always in the right position, but skill-wise and tactically have stalled or gone backwards.
That suggests limitations in coaching.The talent is actually what is obscuring the other issues in a way. In a number of Blues games they give the overall impression of being rabble but then you look at the scoreboard and they are performing as well as the more organised looking opposition. They are second highest on the try tally, top in the metres carried tally and offloads, yet bottom in the defenders beaten ranks.
Opposition teams have to work hard to score as well.
However something just doesn't seem right. It could be just a confidence/headspace thing. Visible frustration from coaches is usually a good indicator that the players aren't following the plans or that they aren't executing as well as they train.
Personnel clarity from coaches hasn't helped but is that desperate attempts to get players out there that will follow instructions? -
overall impression I get is the Blues have talent, not always in the right position, but skill-wise and tactically have stalled or gone backwards.
That suggests limitations in coaching.@nostrildamus said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
overall impression I get is the Blues have talent, not always in the right position, but skill-wise and tactically have stalled or gone backwards.
That suggests limitations in coaching./shrugs. I'd agree, if you hadn't seen major improvements in the last couple of years under Leon. What I think we're lacking is leadership and rugby nous out there. BB probably papered over those cracks last year with confidence from fullback, and you saw it losing Parsons and then Tuipolotu and Robinson this year. We didn't have leaders out there for most of the season, and we lacked the rugby IQ to really drive the team into the right places.
Three good games, followed by 5 poor ones. Hopefully SRTT gives the team a chance to get some confidence, hit their straps and work their butts off. I'm still reasonably confident about our medium term future - we're attracting and keepign decent players, we've got a decent coach, and we are miles away from the rabble we had in the past.
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@nostrildamus said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
overall impression I get is the Blues have talent, not always in the right position, but skill-wise and tactically have stalled or gone backwards.
That suggests limitations in coaching./shrugs. I'd agree, if you hadn't seen major improvements in the last couple of years under Leon. What I think we're lacking is leadership and rugby nous out there. BB probably papered over those cracks last year with confidence from fullback, and you saw it losing Parsons and then Tuipolotu and Robinson this year. We didn't have leaders out there for most of the season, and we lacked the rugby IQ to really drive the team into the right places.
Three good games, followed by 5 poor ones. Hopefully SRTT gives the team a chance to get some confidence, hit their straps and work their butts off. I'm still reasonably confident about our medium term future - we're attracting and keepign decent players, we've got a decent coach, and we are miles away from the rabble we had in the past.
@nzzp said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@nostrildamus said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
overall impression I get is the Blues have talent, not always in the right position, but skill-wise and tactically have stalled or gone backwards.
That suggests limitations in coaching./shrugs. I'd agree, if you hadn't seen major improvements in the last couple of years under Leon. What I think we're lacking is leadership and rugby nous out there. BB probably papered over those cracks last year with confidence from fullback, and you saw it losing Parsons and then Tuipolotu and Robinson this year. We didn't have leaders out there for most of the season, and we lacked the rugby IQ to really drive the team into the right places.
Three good games, followed by 5 poor ones. Hopefully SRTT gives the team a chance to get some confidence, hit their straps and work their butts off. I'm still reasonably confident about our medium term future - we're attracting and keepign decent players, we've got a decent coach, and we are miles away from the rabble we had in the past.
I agree regards overall improvements. Then we only differ on skills. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, fundamentally, but they need to consistently get to the next stage, and there needs to be leadership and rugby nous in the backs (and replacement forwards).
My suggestion (and having BB at 15 is too far from the action for this) is at 10 or 12 a genuine, intelligent, astute playmaker.Oh and the 9-10 weekly lolly scrambles aren't helping. Alternate pairings, not just position.
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@nzzp said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@nostrildamus said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
overall impression I get is the Blues have talent, not always in the right position, but skill-wise and tactically have stalled or gone backwards.
That suggests limitations in coaching./shrugs. I'd agree, if you hadn't seen major improvements in the last couple of years under Leon. What I think we're lacking is leadership and rugby nous out there. BB probably papered over those cracks last year with confidence from fullback, and you saw it losing Parsons and then Tuipolotu and Robinson this year. We didn't have leaders out there for most of the season, and we lacked the rugby IQ to really drive the team into the right places.
Three good games, followed by 5 poor ones. Hopefully SRTT gives the team a chance to get some confidence, hit their straps and work their butts off. I'm still reasonably confident about our medium term future - we're attracting and keepign decent players, we've got a decent coach, and we are miles away from the rabble we had in the past.
I agree regards overall improvements. Then we only differ on skills. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, fundamentally, but they need to consistently get to the next stage, and there needs to be leadership and rugby nous in the backs (and replacement forwards).
My suggestion (and having BB at 15 is too far from the action for this) is at 10 or 12 a genuine, intelligent, astute playmaker.Oh and the 9-10 weekly lolly scrambles aren't helping. Alternate pairings, not just position.
@nostrildamus said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
10 or 12 a genuine, intelligent, astute playmaker
this looks like the key
based on watching last year, and the highlights and threads for this year, the difference between winning and losing SRA is having a guy who can break a game open touch the ball a lot.
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righto, a quick comment on SRA.
Overall, I'd give us a pass mark, but only just. We didn't deliver results-wise, but we put some decent effort.
Top of my head thoughts
Tight 5 B+/A-
One of the stronger packs in the comp. Didn't deliver at some critical times. Massive improvements in defence of mauls and actually in setting mauls too. Still plenty to work on though - rugby nous isn't quite there. Scrum was a weapon in the early rounds, but seemed to struggle later ... not sure why.The prop rotation should have been one of our big strengths. Not much mobility outside Ofa though.
Plenty of minutes for Darry (who should keep building nicely), and we really missed Pat T. GCT was consistently good for us, without being outstanding.Hookers improved on last year, and went fine, just not outstanding.
Would score higher, but didn't dominate like they should have given the talent.
Loosies A
Strength area with significant depth. Dalton was immense, Choat looked good at the end, and Tom R was massive for us. HOskins took a few games to come up to speed. Akira was good without being the massively dominant figure of the last few years.Halfbacks D
Too much changing, not enough game plan clarity to allow any one of them to succeed. I think all the halfbacks have clear work-ons.10s D
Marginally harsh perhaps. Otere needs to get his mojo back (from games 1-2) and learn to goal kick. Plummer just needs to lift his game.Midfield C
Rieko B to B+, 12s consistently D. Distribution a big issue. Combinations an issue. Plenty to work on. Rieko is building nicely I think. 12 was a real issue for us. Really not sure why TJ woudln't be keeping that backline togetherBack 3 D
Workrate too low, finishing too low, creation too low. Defence OK. Didn't create much at all, or feel super dangerous. Shut down consistently.Coaching C
Forwards went OK in general, backs were very average this season. Leadership and IQ on the field not great.Moment of the season: disallowed maul try against the Chiefs. The ref and TMO don't overturn it (wrongly, in my view) and you've got a winning season and are off to the final.
So, yeah. Promised plenty, didn't deliver enough. Still better than we've been, but (hopefully) not nearly as good as we're going to be.
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well, damn.
Just wrote a long post on 2021 so far, and it got lost. Unless the mods can work some magic, you get the 30 second version, not the 500 word monster.
Tight 5 A- didn't dominate when they should have
Loosies A outstanding depth, consistently good
Halfbacks D poor selections, poor consistency, etc
10s D didn't do nearly enough to steer the fatties around
Midfield C Rieko B+, everyone else at 12 D. Didn't do enough offensively, defence was OK
back 3 D. didn't create much at all. Defensively OK. not exciting enough. workrate coudl be better.
Coaching C. Did enough in the forwards, but backs were poor. Tactics were average. needs to get confidence back into the team and support some folk with rugby IQ to make decisions out there -
righto, a quick comment on SRA.
Overall, I'd give us a pass mark, but only just. We didn't deliver results-wise, but we put some decent effort.
Top of my head thoughts
Tight 5 B+/A-
One of the stronger packs in the comp. Didn't deliver at some critical times. Massive improvements in defence of mauls and actually in setting mauls too. Still plenty to work on though - rugby nous isn't quite there. Scrum was a weapon in the early rounds, but seemed to struggle later ... not sure why.The prop rotation should have been one of our big strengths. Not much mobility outside Ofa though.
Plenty of minutes for Darry (who should keep building nicely), and we really missed Pat T. GCT was consistently good for us, without being outstanding.Hookers improved on last year, and went fine, just not outstanding.
Would score higher, but didn't dominate like they should have given the talent.
Loosies A
Strength area with significant depth. Dalton was immense, Choat looked good at the end, and Tom R was massive for us. HOskins took a few games to come up to speed. Akira was good without being the massively dominant figure of the last few years.Halfbacks D
Too much changing, not enough game plan clarity to allow any one of them to succeed. I think all the halfbacks have clear work-ons.10s D
Marginally harsh perhaps. Otere needs to get his mojo back (from games 1-2) and learn to goal kick. Plummer just needs to lift his game.Midfield C
Rieko B to B+, 12s consistently D. Distribution a big issue. Combinations an issue. Plenty to work on. Rieko is building nicely I think. 12 was a real issue for us. Really not sure why TJ woudln't be keeping that backline togetherBack 3 D
Workrate too low, finishing too low, creation too low. Defence OK. Didn't create much at all, or feel super dangerous. Shut down consistently.Coaching C
Forwards went OK in general, backs were very average this season. Leadership and IQ on the field not great.Moment of the season: disallowed maul try against the Chiefs. The ref and TMO don't overturn it (wrongly, in my view) and you've got a winning season and are off to the final.
So, yeah. Promised plenty, didn't deliver enough. Still better than we've been, but (hopefully) not nearly as good as we're going to be.
@nzzp Back 3 D
Workrate too low, finishing too low, creation too low. Defence OK. Didn't create much at all, or feel super dangerous. Shut down consistently.on the above
Was Reiko responsible for some of this,Going by himself too much not looking to create space for the outsides.When Reiko gets the ball his first instinct is a wings mind set Run without looking wide the cut back inside is a wingers instinct to link up and not have the touchline as an extra defender.
Or is Reiko a product of what is happening inside from 9 to 12, 10 & 12 Drifting to Reiko taking the defence with them and leaving him no options.
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@nzzp Back 3 D
Workrate too low, finishing too low, creation too low. Defence OK. Didn't create much at all, or feel super dangerous. Shut down consistently.on the above
Was Reiko responsible for some of this,Going by himself too much not looking to create space for the outsides.When Reiko gets the ball his first instinct is a wings mind set Run without looking wide the cut back inside is a wingers instinct to link up and not have the touchline as an extra defender.
Or is Reiko a product of what is happening inside from 9 to 12, 10 & 12 Drifting to Reiko taking the defence with them and leaving him no options.
@chris I don't think you can lay the blame at the feet of Rieko. I'm thinking of a back 3 that gets back and counterattacks strongly, returns kicks well, kicks well for territory.
Perofeta was solid at times doing some of those, but frankly I expected more from those lads. Rieko wasn't amazing yet, but solid enough with distribution.
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@chris I don't think you can lay the blame at the feet of Rieko. I'm thinking of a back 3 that gets back and counterattacks strongly, returns kicks well, kicks well for territory.
Perofeta was solid at times doing some of those, but frankly I expected more from those lads. Rieko wasn't amazing yet, but solid enough with distribution.
@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@chris I don't think you can lay the blame at the feet of Rieko. I'm thinking of a back 3 that gets back and counterattacks strongly, returns kicks well, kicks well for territory.
Perofeta was solid at times doing some of those, but frankly I expected more from those lads. Rieko wasn't amazing yet, but solid enough with distribution.
My other point is Reiko a product of what is happening from 9 to 12,
