All Blacks 2021
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All Black Fans: Stop playing people out of position!!!
Also All Black Fans: Put Jordie Barrett at 12!!!
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
All Black Fans: Stop playing people out of position!!!
Also All Black Fans: Put Jordie Barrett at 12!!!
There's a lot of truth to that, mainly in hindsight when we think about the likes of Cullen and MacDonald at 13 etc, but there is also a case to be made for giving J Barrett a crack at 12. I'd like to see it tried in a lesser test say against Fiji or Italy and if he's convincing then he gets a go in a bigger test.
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@frank said in All Blacks 2021:
Anyone reckon Pita Gus Sowakula has a chance of a call-up?
He's looked bloody good when he has come on for the Chiefs.Nope, he's looked good in maybe two games this season. That is all.
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@frank said in All Blacks 2021:
Anyone reckon Pita Gus Sowakula has a chance of a call-up?
He's looked bloody good when he has come on for the Chiefs.Nope, he's looked good in maybe two games this season. That is all.
He had a pre-season injury and his early appearances were getting back up to speed. Since then he has been very good. A good test tonight. Let's see how in goes in an unusual position against a top team and under pressure. That will be a true indicator.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
All Black Fans: Stop playing people out of position!!!
Also All Black Fans: Put Jordie Barrett at 12!!!
There's a lot of truth to that, mainly in hindsight when we think about the likes of Cullen and MacDonald at 13 etc, but there is also a case to be made for giving J Barrett a crack at 12. I'd like to see it tried in a lesser test say against Fiji or Italy and if he's convincing then he gets a go in a bigger test.
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I know that JB has played 12 before but I still struggle trying to picture him in that jersey when I watch his go to style of play.
He tends to run at angles and try to go around people. Doesn't show much of a step or crash.
Probably due to his playing at 15 but his passing game isn't a standout either.As said above, I wouldn't be upset at him being given a try there to show what he would bring but I just feel is is a better player with a bit of a wind up.
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@shark I've seen a lot of players look amazing smashing shit teams that never go on with it. If it's something they are considering then pull the trigger, pick him, and let him have the year, results be damned.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@shark I've seen a lot of players look amazing smashing shit teams that never go on with it. If it's something they are considering then pull the trigger, pick him, and let him have the year, results be damned.
He needs a season there at SR to show his wares but the bloody Canes refuse to play him there. Very annoying as we need to develop more 12s in NZ and he has the attributes and a body of work in that position already.
Man putting him in the wing for the ABs last year was one of the most braindead selections I've ever seen. Fuck Foster.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
*I wonder how highly they rate DMac at 15/10 cover.
**I'm not sure what is happening with RM/BB at 10 or BB at 15. I'd assume JB is ahead of his bro at 15.Beaudy came out and said he wanted to play 10, so if he holds that line with Foster it will be him and Richie in the 10 and 22 jerseys.
However, if he's still willing to bend to Foster's two playmakers thing, then I don't think your assumption that Jordie is ahead is necessarily correct, because at the last AB waypoint Beauden was at fullback and Jordie on the wing.
I reckon they'll be pretty happy with DMac as their third first five - because from what I've seen this year, next in line is probably Mitch Hunt. Nothing against Mitch, but he's a substantial drop from our top two and I wouldn't want to see him as the number one goal kicker in a tight test.
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
*I wonder how highly they rate DMac at 15/10 cover.
**I'm not sure what is happening with RM/BB at 10 or BB at 15. I'd assume JB is ahead of his bro at 15.Beaudy came out and said he wanted to play 10, so if he holds that line with Foster it will be him and Richie in the 10 and 22 jerseys.
However, if he's still willing to bend to Foster's two playmakers thing, then I don't think your assumption that Jordie is ahead is necessarily correct, because at the last AB waypoint Beauden was at fullback and Jordie on the wing.
I reckon they'll be pretty happy with DMac as their third first five - because from what I've seen this year, next in line is probably Mitch Hunt. Nothing against Mitch, but he's a substantial drop from our top two and I wouldn't want to see him as the number one goal kicker in a tight test.
Some interesting quotes from Beauden - said he prefers 10 but went along with playing 15 "for the good of the team". As I suspected the ABs putting RM at 10 didn't sit well with him, especially when RM was shitting the bed. Again really dumb to continue with that selection when it was clear it wasn't working. RM has played by far his best test footy off the bench which is a role he's better suited too.
He also said it's clear that Jordie, DMac and Jordan are all much better FBs than he is, so he doesn't rate himself in that position to begin with
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@shark I've seen a lot of players look amazing smashing shit teams that never go on with it. If it's something they are considering then pull the trigger, pick him, and let him have the year, results be damned.
He needs a season there at SR to show his wares but the bloody Canes refuse to play him there. Very annoying as we need to develop more 12s in NZ and he has the attributes and a body of work in that position already.
Man putting him in the wing for the ABs last year was one of the most braindead selections I've ever seen. Fuck Foster.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@shark I've seen a lot of players look amazing smashing shit teams that never go on with it. If it's something they are considering then pull the trigger, pick him, and let him have the year, results be damned.
He needs a season there at SR to show his wares but the bloody Canes refuse to play him there. Very annoying as we need to develop more 12s in NZ and he has the attributes and a body of work in that position already.
Man putting him in the wing for the ABs last year was one of the most braindead selections I've ever seen. Fuck Foster.
Body of work? One season at NPC level.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@shark I've seen a lot of players look amazing smashing shit teams that never go on with it. If it's something they are considering then pull the trigger, pick him, and let him have the year, results be damned.
He needs a season there at SR to show his wares but the bloody Canes refuse to play him there. Very annoying as we need to develop more 12s in NZ and he has the attributes and a body of work in that position already.
Man putting him in the wing for the ABs last year was one of the most braindead selections I've ever seen. Fuck Foster.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@shark I've seen a lot of players look amazing smashing shit teams that never go on with it. If it's something they are considering then pull the trigger, pick him, and let him have the year, results be damned.
He needs a season there at SR to show his wares but the bloody Canes refuse to play him there. Very annoying as we need to develop more 12s in NZ and he has the attributes and a body of work in that position already.
Man putting him in the wing for the ABs last year was one of the most braindead selections I've ever seen. Fuck Foster.
It is not going to happen under Foster,15 or wing it looks like he sees JB.
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year.. -
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
*I wonder how highly they rate DMac at 15/10 cover.
**I'm not sure what is happening with RM/BB at 10 or BB at 15. I'd assume JB is ahead of his bro at 15.Beaudy came out and said he wanted to play 10, so if he holds that line with Foster it will be him and Richie in the 10 and 22 jerseys.
However, if he's still willing to bend to Foster's two playmakers thing, then I don't think your assumption that Jordie is ahead is necessarily correct, because at the last AB waypoint Beauden was at fullback and Jordie on the wing.
I reckon they'll be pretty happy with DMac as their third first five - because from what I've seen this year, next in line is probably Mitch Hunt. Nothing against Mitch, but he's a substantial drop from our top two and I wouldn't want to see him as the number one goal kicker in a tight test.
Some interesting quotes from Beauden - said he prefers 10 but went along with playing 15 "for the good of the team". As I suspected the ABs putting RM at 10 didn't sit well with him, especially when RM was shitting the bed. Again really dumb to continue with that selection when it was clear it wasn't working. RM has played by far his best test footy off the bench which is a role he's better suited too.
He also said it's clear that Jordie, DMac and Jordan are all much better FBs than he is, so he doesn't rate himself in that position to begin with
@no-quarter said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
*I wonder how highly they rate DMac at 15/10 cover.
**I'm not sure what is happening with RM/BB at 10 or BB at 15. I'd assume JB is ahead of his bro at 15.Beaudy came out and said he wanted to play 10, so if he holds that line with Foster it will be him and Richie in the 10 and 22 jerseys.
However, if he's still willing to bend to Foster's two playmakers thing, then I don't think your assumption that Jordie is ahead is necessarily correct, because at the last AB waypoint Beauden was at fullback and Jordie on the wing.
I reckon they'll be pretty happy with DMac as their third first five - because from what I've seen this year, next in line is probably Mitch Hunt. Nothing against Mitch, but he's a substantial drop from our top two and I wouldn't want to see him as the number one goal kicker in a tight test.
Some interesting quotes from Beauden - said he prefers 10 but went along with playing 15 "for the good of the team". As I suspected the ABs putting RM at 10 didn't sit well with him, especially when RM was shitting the bed. Again really dumb to continue with that selection when it was clear it wasn't working. RM has played by far his best test footy off the bench which is a role he's better suited too.
He also said it's clear that Jordie, DMac and Jordan are all much better FBs than he is, so he doesn't rate himself in that position to begin with
Of BB will say the other 3 are better FBs as he will be helping his Bro out to nail the AB 15 jersey.
It will be interesting how BB plays after a season in Japan, intensity way down on SR big step up to test rugby.
Whitelock wasn't at his best last year after playing in Japan,It has taken him to this season to get up to his best again. -
I know that JB has played 12 before but I still struggle trying to picture him in that jersey when I watch his go to style of play.
He tends to run at angles and try to go around people. Doesn't show much of a step or crash.
Probably due to his playing at 15 but his passing game isn't a standout either.As said above, I wouldn't be upset at him being given a try there to show what he would bring but I just feel is is a better player with a bit of a wind up.
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
I know that JB has played 12 before but I still struggle trying to picture him in that jersey when I watch his go to style of play.
He tends to run at angles and try to go around people. Doesn't show much of a step or crash.
Probably due to his playing at 15 but his passing game isn't a standout either.As said above, I wouldn't be upset at him being given a try there to show what he would bring but I just feel is is a better player with a bit of a wind up.
He was very effective at crash ball running for the NZ U20s from 12. Obviously a number of years ago, against much less effective defenses. But I think he has that ability.
He also put in a lot of very dominant hits, from memory.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@shark I've seen a lot of players look amazing smashing shit teams that never go on with it. If it's something they are considering then pull the trigger, pick him, and let him have the year, results be damned.
He needs a season there at SR to show his wares but the bloody Canes refuse to play him there. Very annoying as we need to develop more 12s in NZ and he has the attributes and a body of work in that position already.
Man putting him in the wing for the ABs last year was one of the most braindead selections I've ever seen. Fuck Foster.
It is not going to happen under Foster,15 or wing it looks like he sees JB.
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
Ahhh true well more chances in the MF than with Foster anyway.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
I know that JB has played 12 before but I still struggle trying to picture him in that jersey when I watch his go to style of play.
He tends to run at angles and try to go around people. Doesn't show much of a step or crash.
Probably due to his playing at 15 but his passing game isn't a standout either.As said above, I wouldn't be upset at him being given a try there to show what he would bring but I just feel is is a better player with a bit of a wind up.
He was very effective at crash ball running for the NZ U20s from 12. Obviously a number of years ago, against much less effective defenses. But I think he has that ability.
He also put in a lot of very dominant hits, from memory.
@bobily2 said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
I know that JB has played 12 before but I still struggle trying to picture him in that jersey when I watch his go to style of play.
He tends to run at angles and try to go around people. Doesn't show much of a step or crash.
Probably due to his playing at 15 but his passing game isn't a standout either.As said above, I wouldn't be upset at him being given a try there to show what he would bring but I just feel is is a better player with a bit of a wind up.
He was very effective at crash ball running for the NZ U20s from 12. Obviously a number of years ago, against much less effective defenses. But I think he has that ability.
He also put in a lot of very dominant hits, from memory.
Yeah, I'm just not convinced that a guy that grew up as a 10 but was an unusual size as a 19 year old and used at 12 for a dozen or so games at age grade and semi-pro level is a definite option at pro and test level.
If the Canes ran him there for a season and he was good then I'd jump on that train but to declare him an option now is OTT. -
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
Ahhh true well more chances in the MF than with Foster anyway.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
Ahhh true well more chances in the MF than with Foster anyway.
MF? Why would Foster give him a go at 12 when his franchise coach won't?
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
Ahhh true well more chances in the MF than with Foster anyway.
MF? Why would Foster give him a go at 12 when his franchise coach won't?
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
Ahhh true well more chances in the MF than with Foster anyway.
MF? Why would Foster give him a go at 12 when his franchise coach won't?
Didn’t say he would just that Foster will not.
I don’t see him as a 12 he’s a FB in my eyes. -
He's played for the ABs in every position from 10 up. Not started all (10, 11, 14, 15) but moved into 12 & 13 with substitutions
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
He's played for the ABs in every position from 10 up. Not started all (10, 11, 14, 15) but moved into 12 & 13 with substitutions
10 was against Namibia FFS.
I can't recall him being moved to centres for any period so assume it was during the last 5 minute shuffle-arounds that happen against weak opposition. -
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
He's played for the ABs in every position from 10 up. Not started all (10, 11, 14, 15) but moved into 12 & 13 with substitutions
10 was against Namibia FFS.
I can't recall him being moved to centres for any period so assume it was during the last 5 minute shuffle-arounds that happen against weak opposition.Well where would you rank the top FBs in NZ? I'm assuming most would put JB at #1 or #2..
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Well where would you rank the top FBs in NZ? I'm assuming most would put JB at #1 or #2..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
Well where would you rank the top FBs in NZ? I'm assuming most would put JB at #1 or #2..
I think it's horses for courses with JB, DMac and Jordan and totally depends on the gameplan IMO.
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
He's played for the ABs in every position from 10 up. Not started all (10, 11, 14, 15) but moved into 12 & 13 with substitutions
10 was against Namibia FFS.
I can't recall him being moved to centres for any period so assume it was during the last 5 minute shuffle-arounds that happen against weak opposition.@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
He's played for the ABs in every position from 10 up. Not started all (10, 11, 14, 15) but moved into 12 & 13 with substitutions
10 was against Namibia FFS.
I can't recall him being moved to centres for any period so assume it was during the last 5 minute shuffle-arounds that happen against weak opposition.Yup, I'm not saying it as proof he should be ABs midfielder this season. But I think it is a pretty fucking impressive feat!
