All Blacks 2021
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My question at present is whether the selectors can continue to dismiss the Bosh.
When you think that they selected Kirifi ahead of him it doesn't fill you with hope.An absolute plethora of backrow talent available right now. Even with Cane and Savea injured.
I'd love to see Jacobson, Papali'i and Blackadder in the same backrow.
Incredible that the likes of Frizzell, Ioane, Grace or Sotutu could miss out on a 23
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My question at present is whether the selectors can continue to dismiss the Bosh.
When you think that they selected Kirifi ahead of him it doesn't fill you with hope.@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
My question at present is whether the selectors can continue to dismiss the Bosh.
When you think that they selected Kirifi ahead of him it doesn't fill you with hope.To be fair to Kirifi, he was playing very well last year for both the Canes and Wellington. This year he has been ineffective and poor.
Boshier is definitely more noticeable as a ball-carrier, which was the work-on for him.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
My question at present is whether the selectors can continue to dismiss the Bosh.
When you think that they selected Kirifi ahead of him it doesn't fill you with hope.To be fair to Kirifi, he was playing very well last year for both the Canes and Wellington. This year he has been ineffective and poor.
Boshier is definitely more noticeable as a ball-carrier, which was the work-on for him.
I can't believe so many exciting 8s have appeared, it was looking pretty bare a few years ago.
6 Frizzell, Ioane, Blackadder, Jacobson(?)** Grace or Robinson?*
At 7 is it a fight between Papali'i and Boshier? Both 6s/7s, Dalton offers perhaps more taking on the line (slightly taller, nuch heavier) and at lineout? I kind of like Boshier, though, offers something a little different.
8 Jacobson vs Sotutu? (Possibly not Ioane?)*Not sure if young Cullen Grace is a contender 6/8? or Robinson..
**Jacobson now seen as more an 8?I'm sure I have forgotten someone. Talk about a blindside logjam..
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An absolute plethora of backrow talent available right now. Even with Cane and Savea injured.
I'd love to see Jacobson, Papali'i and Blackadder in the same backrow.
Incredible that the likes of Frizzell, Ioane, Grace or Sotutu could miss out on a 23
@frye said in All Blacks 2021:
An absolute plethora of backrow talent available right now. Even with Cane and Savea injured.
I'd love to see Jacobson, Papali'i and Blackadder in the same backrow.
Incredible that the likes of Frizzell, Ioane, Grace or Sotutu could miss out on a 23
Lots of backrow guys going to miss the squad.
I reckon there's potentially a dozen in the frame, but probably only seven will get picked.
Frizell
Ioane
Robinson
Blackadder
GraceSotutu
JacobsonSavea
Papali'i
Boshier
Kirifi
HarmonAnd Cane in the wings.
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Robinson is an interesting one, at 1.98m, think he can genuinely play that 6/lock role
Jacobson 8/6 (werent his 2 tests at 6?)
Dalton 7/6
Akira 8/6
Savea 7,8,6
Cane 7/6.5PLus several others, we are pretty flush with candidates
Rest are probably more specialists?
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I can't believe so many exciting 8s have appeared, it was looking pretty bare a few years ago.
6 Frizzell, Ioane, Blackadder, Jacobson(?)** Grace or Robinson?*
At 7 is it a fight between Papali'i and Boshier? Both 6s/7s, Dalton offers perhaps more taking on the line (slightly taller, nuch heavier) and at lineout? I kind of like Boshier, though, offers something a little different.
8 Jacobson vs Sotutu? (Possibly not Ioane?)*Not sure if young Cullen Grace is a contender 6/8? or Robinson..
**Jacobson now seen as more an 8?I'm sure I have forgotten someone. Talk about a blindside logjam..
@nostrildamus Probably a year too soon, but I fully expect Flanders to be in the mix before the RWC (as an 8, who can play 6). I'd like them to bring in a few non-playing apprentices for the July Internationals like they've done in the past, and Flanders would be one of the prime candidates IMO.
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@nostrildamus Probably a year too soon, but I fully expect Flanders to be in the mix before the RWC (as an 8, who can play 6). I'd like them to bring in a few non-playing apprentices for the July Internationals like they've done in the past, and Flanders would be one of the prime candidates IMO.
@stargazer oh yeah, him too!
SOme quality players are gonna miss getting capped over the next few years!!
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@stargazer oh yeah, him too!
SOme quality players are gonna miss getting capped over the next few years!!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer oh yeah, him too!
SOme quality players are gonna miss getting capped over the next few years!!
The ‘next’ Josh Blackie’s
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Robinson is an interesting one, at 1.98m, think he can genuinely play that 6/lock role
Jacobson 8/6 (werent his 2 tests at 6?)
Dalton 7/6
Akira 8/6
Savea 7,8,6
Cane 7/6.5PLus several others, we are pretty flush with candidates
Rest are probably more specialists?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
Robinson is an interesting one, at 1.98m, think he can genuinely play that 6/lock role
Jacobson 8/6 (werent his 2 tests at 6?)
Dalton 7/6
Akira 8/6
Savea 7,8,6
Cane 7/6.5PLus several others, we are pretty flush with candidates
Rest are probably more specialists?
Grace has been playing 8 pretty much all season and growing into it - previously a 6.
Blackadder can play all three roles at a pinch, but it was quite a while since I recall him at 7 prior to last night. But, if Cane was down to play 80 minutes at 7, I'd be reasonably comfortable with him on the bench.
Pretty sure Frizell has played a bit of 8, but mainly a specialist 6.
With Cane in the wings, I think they'll only pick two sevens, which will probably be Ardie and Papali'i.
But, two guys that I've grouped as 6s and 8s are probably going to miss out - and both will be unlucky.
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@nostrildamus Probably a year too soon, but I fully expect Flanders to be in the mix before the RWC (as an 8, who can play 6). I'd like them to bring in a few non-playing apprentices for the July Internationals like they've done in the past, and Flanders would be one of the prime candidates IMO.
@stargazer thanks yes I knew I was forgetting someone. Flanders and Grace both 21 (only) but Flanders will turn 22 in a few months-still quite young for an AB loose forward I would have thought.
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My question at present is whether the selectors can continue to dismiss the Bosh.
When you think that they selected Kirifi ahead of him it doesn't fill you with hope.@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
My question at present is whether the selectors can continue to dismiss the Bosh.
When you think that they selected Kirifi ahead of him it doesn't fill you with hope.Somewhere in the back of my mind I have this feeling Boshier was injured. Could be wrong though.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
Robinson is an interesting one, at 1.98m, think he can genuinely play that 6/lock role
Jacobson 8/6 (werent his 2 tests at 6?)
Dalton 7/6
Akira 8/6
Savea 7,8,6
Cane 7/6.5PLus several others, we are pretty flush with candidates
Rest are probably more specialists?
Grace has been playing 8 pretty much all season and growing into it - previously a 6.
Blackadder can play all three roles at a pinch, but it was quite a while since I recall him at 7 prior to last night. But, if Cane was down to play 80 minutes at 7, I'd be reasonably comfortable with him on the bench.
Pretty sure Frizell has played a bit of 8, but mainly a specialist 6.
With Cane in the wings, I think they'll only pick two sevens, which will probably be Ardie and Papali'i.
But, two guys that I've grouped as 6s and 8s are probably going to miss out - and both will be unlucky.
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
Robinson is an interesting one, at 1.98m, think he can genuinely play that 6/lock role
Jacobson 8/6 (werent his 2 tests at 6?)
Dalton 7/6
Akira 8/6
Savea 7,8,6
Cane 7/6.5PLus several others, we are pretty flush with candidates
Rest are probably more specialists?
Grace has been playing 8 pretty much all season and growing into it - previously a 6.
Blackadder can play all three roles at a pinch, but it was quite a while since I recall him at 7 prior to last night. But, if Cane was down to play 80 minutes at 7, I'd be reasonably comfortable with him on the bench.
Pretty sure Frizell has played a bit of 8, but mainly a specialist 6.
With Cane in the wings, I think they'll only pick two sevens, which will probably be Ardie and Papali'i.
But, two guys that I've grouped as 6s and 8s are probably going to miss out - and both will be unlucky.
I'd really like to see how Robinson goes at 6 but I just think they will put Cane/x? and Ardie off the bench (or at 8 with a dedicated 6) ahead of him.
I'm thinking Dalton is really competing with Ardie and Boshier (strange though, such different players) while Ardie when fit is also competing with Jacobson and Sotutu.
Akira competes with Frizzell and they'll pick Cullen, Flanders, Blackadder or Jacobson but my money is on Jacobson at 8 and Dalton as back up to 6/8. But hell, I think they'll want to test Blackadder.
I really don't know who they prefer at 6 now, arguably it is the most interesting given all the potential new blood. -
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
Robinson is an interesting one, at 1.98m, think he can genuinely play that 6/lock role
Jacobson 8/6 (werent his 2 tests at 6?)
Dalton 7/6
Akira 8/6
Savea 7,8,6
Cane 7/6.5PLus several others, we are pretty flush with candidates
Rest are probably more specialists?
Grace has been playing 8 pretty much all season and growing into it - previously a 6.
Blackadder can play all three roles at a pinch, but it was quite a while since I recall him at 7 prior to last night. But, if Cane was down to play 80 minutes at 7, I'd be reasonably comfortable with him on the bench.
Pretty sure Frizell has played a bit of 8, but mainly a specialist 6.
With Cane in the wings, I think they'll only pick two sevens, which will probably be Ardie and Papali'i.
But, two guys that I've grouped as 6s and 8s are probably going to miss out - and both will be unlucky.
I'd really like to see how Robinson goes at 6 but I just think they will put Cane/x? and Ardie off the bench (or at 8 with a dedicated 6) ahead of him.
I'm thinking Dalton is really competing with Ardie and Boshier (strange though, such different players) while Ardie when fit is also competing with Jacobson and Sotutu.
Akira competes with Frizzell and they'll pick Cullen, Flanders, Blackadder or Jacobson but my money is on Jacobson at 8 and Dalton as back up to 6/8. But hell, I think they'll want to test Blackadder.
I really don't know who they prefer at 6 now, arguably it is the most interesting given all the potential new blood.the midfield seems a little less interesting, so many here seem keen on Havili and ALB (but who is on the bench? I like PUJ but how can they choose someone with so little play time?)
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
My question at present is whether the selectors can continue to dismiss the Bosh.
When you think that they selected Kirifi ahead of him it doesn't fill you with hope.Somewhere in the back of my mind I have this feeling Boshier was injured. Could be wrong though.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
My question at present is whether the selectors can continue to dismiss the Bosh.
When you think that they selected Kirifi ahead of him it doesn't fill you with hope.Somewhere in the back of my mind I have this feeling Boshier was injured. Could be wrong though.
He might have been returning from injury? But he was still gutted (well he said a little disappointed, but I'm going full nz media on this one):
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It's worthwhile including this info when we talk about the makeup of the squad.
Foster said the plan was to pick 35 for July, then disassemble and re-select a second squad the same size for the championship and extra Bledisloe. He admitted July would present the opportunity to look at some fringe contenders, but pledged to pick as close as he can to full-strength groups. He confirmed Beauden Barrett and Brodie Retallick would both be available for selection for July, though TJ Perenara was likely to have to play some domestic rugby before he could be considered because of his contractual situation. On the injury front they are still looking at early to mid-September for Sam Cane’s return to action, so it was likely he would figure only on the November tour: Ardie Savea was due back on the field over the next week or two; Jack Goodhue is out for a full year; and Joe Moody is looking at early-September from his foot problem. The coach confirmed he had picked his replacement captain, but would not name him until the July squad was selected. -
That young no.12 from the Chiefs must be in the conversation now. Does he have a kicking game? Distribution seems sound.
@old-samurai-jack Nankivell?
