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  • DuluthD Duluth

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:

    If they want to attack, then RI may get the nod ... if defensive reads are the priority, then probably the other.

    I'm not sure the defence is that clear cut.

    Ioane had a shocking game on defence against the Chiefs but I think a lot of that was Plummer struggling with Tupaea and RI having to turn in. However Ioane has defended well when paired with TJ

    Havili had a shocker against the Brumbies and missed 5 tackles

    The defence will come down to which pairing gets an understanding the fastest

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    @duluth he also had a real bad read for the forces first try on the weekend, headed to the right which was already stacked and left a couple of forwards and an overlap on the left

    Havili.JPG

    should clarify, still think he has earned a shot, just far from the finished product

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      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

      Is Boshier not even a lookin this year? Doesn't seem to have much AB luck..

      Over who?... every other main all black flanker chance has shown more than he has

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      @mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

      Is Boshier not even a lookin this year? Doesn't seem to have much AB luck..

      Over who?... every other main all black flanker chance has shown more than he has

      Yeah I know. But he is a turnover king...

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      • StargazerS Stargazer

        @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

        bigger

        abut 2 cm and a few kilos in it at most I'd have thought, or has Flanders grown since the official stats?

        @Stargazer would be the person who probably has the pics from his insta (or someone's) but he is huge this year, looks like he's been on roids.

        193cm puts him at the same height as Read and I'd say he's bigger, even if the 'official' stats don't see to indicate that.

        For comparison of height, this was the only useful photo I could find on Getty's website (Scrafton is - according to his Hurricanes profile - 7cm taller, but it looks less):

        3c7522d1-247f-4a5d-ba69-65419dc3df02-image.png


        Someone posted this photo from his instagram during preseason (with Jonah Lowe tagging Drugfree Sport NZ in the comments):

        1b1f09de-462a-4c78-b76b-fea89cf0a9f2-image.png

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        @stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

        bigger

        abut 2 cm and a few kilos in it at most I'd have thought, or has Flanders grown since the official stats?

        @Stargazer would be the person who probably has the pics from his insta (or someone's) but he is huge this year, looks like he's been on roids.

        193cm puts him at the same height as Read and I'd say he's bigger, even if the 'official' stats don't see to indicate that.

        For comparison of height, this was the only useful photo I could find on Getty's website (Scrafton is - according to his Hurricanes profile - 7cm taller, but it looks less):

        3c7522d1-247f-4a5d-ba69-65419dc3df02-image.png


        Someone posted this photo from his instagram during preseason (with Jonah Lowe tagging Drugfree Sport NZ in the comments):

        1b1f09de-462a-4c78-b76b-fea89cf0a9f2-image.png

        ok that is one massive man beast. The photo with Scrafton-further away looks shorter (from photographer's upwards angle) but doesn't look like Scrafton could be much taller.

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        • BonesB Bones

          @canes4life I had to laugh last week when the commentators about the canes hooker with the "big boppers" beside him. Numia has got to be the smallest prop in years!

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          @bones yeah he's not the biggest but defs punches above his weight. If Kane Hames can make the All Blacks, Numia can. 🙂

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          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

            @stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:

            @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

            @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

            bigger

            abut 2 cm and a few kilos in it at most I'd have thought, or has Flanders grown since the official stats?

            @Stargazer would be the person who probably has the pics from his insta (or someone's) but he is huge this year, looks like he's been on roids.

            193cm puts him at the same height as Read and I'd say he's bigger, even if the 'official' stats don't see to indicate that.

            For comparison of height, this was the only useful photo I could find on Getty's website (Scrafton is - according to his Hurricanes profile - 7cm taller, but it looks less):

            3c7522d1-247f-4a5d-ba69-65419dc3df02-image.png


            Someone posted this photo from his instagram during preseason (with Jonah Lowe tagging Drugfree Sport NZ in the comments):

            1b1f09de-462a-4c78-b76b-fea89cf0a9f2-image.png

            ok that is one massive man beast. The photo with Scrafton-further away looks shorter (from photographer's upwards angle) but doesn't look like Scrafton could be much taller.

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            @nostrildamus A massive man beast of only 21 years old.

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            • StargazerS Stargazer

              @nostrildamus A massive man beast of only 21 years old.

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              @stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:

              @nostrildamus A massive man beast of only 21 years old.

              looks older!

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              • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                @stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:

                @nostrildamus A massive man beast of only 21 years old.

                looks older!

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                @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                @stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:

                @nostrildamus A massive man beast of only 21 years old.

                looks older!

                HGH does that

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                  Flanders does seem to cramp up early in the second half and it's not like he has a huge work rate. Wonder if his body is still adjusting to packing on quite a bit weight over the off&pre season.

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                  • ToddyT Toddy

                    Flanders does seem to cramp up early in the second half and it's not like he has a huge work rate. Wonder if his body is still adjusting to packing on quite a bit weight over the off&pre season.

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                    @toddy It's true that in the later part of the season, he has been cramping up after about an hour, but I don't know what games you've been watching, but he has a huge workrate. Just look at his tackle stats of some games. It may drop off gradually during a game when he's tiring, of course. The cramping may indeed have to do with him having some extra weight, but also with him being a young pup still adjusting to the higher intensity of training and games at SR level (esp SRA). While you may see me complaining when he's not getting a start, it may actually be a good idea to manage his workload properly.

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                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                      @toddy It's true that in the later part of the season, he has been cramping up after about an hour, but I don't know what games you've been watching, but he has a huge workrate. Just look at his tackle stats of some games. It may drop off gradually during a game when he's tiring, of course. The cramping may indeed have to do with him having some extra weight, but also with him being a young pup still adjusting to the higher intensity of training and games at SR level (esp SRA). While you may see me complaining when he's not getting a start, it may actually be a good idea to manage his workload properly.

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                      @stargazer His cramping might just well be because has to do extra duties to provide cover for the regular periods of ten minute rest breaks D. Kirifi takes on the sideline during matches.

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                      • ToddyT Toddy

                        Flanders does seem to cramp up early in the second half and it's not like he has a huge work rate. Wonder if his body is still adjusting to packing on quite a bit weight over the off&pre season.

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                        @toddy said in All Blacks 2021:

                        Flanders does seem to cramp up early in the second half and it's not like he has a huge work rate. Wonder if his body is still adjusting to packing on quite a bit weight over the off&pre season.

                        I think he has a good work rate [but doesn’t necessarily feature on both sides of the ball]. For his last five games:

                        Second for tackles against the Brumbies (14)
                        First for tackles against the Rebels (10)
                        Second for tackles against the Tahs (13)
                        Run leader for the forwards against the landers (9) and equal defenders beaten (4) with 6 tackles in 53 minutes
                        Led the forwards for runs and metres against the Chiefs (7, 39) with 3 defenders beaten and 2 offloads, plus 7 tackles

                        I dont think he is there yet, but I wouldn’t be shocked to hear his name read out either.

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                        • HigginsH Higgins

                          @stargazer His cramping might just well be because has to do extra duties to provide cover for the regular periods of ten minute rest breaks D. Kirifi takes on the sideline during matches.

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                          @higgins said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @stargazer His cramping might just well be because has to do extra duties to provide cover for the regular periods of ten minute rest breaks D. Kirifi takes on the sideline during matches.

                          FIFY

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                            Hoskins Sotutu must be first-choice All Blacks Number 8.

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                              Hoskins Sotutu must be first-choice All Blacks Number 8.

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                              @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                              Hoskins Sotutu must be first-choice All Blacks Number 8.

                              Nope, he mustn't. He's certainly good, and in the frame. But smashing shit ozzie teams is not what you judged on. In the SRA games he was no where near as prominent

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                                @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                Hoskins Sotutu must be first-choice All Blacks Number 8.

                                Nope, he mustn't. He's certainly good, and in the frame. But smashing shit ozzie teams is not what you judged on. In the SRA games he was no where near as prominent

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                                @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                Nope, he mustn't. He's certainly good, and in the frame. But smashing shit ozzie teams is not what you judged on. In the SRA games he was no where near as prominent

                                Really quiet first month but was good in the second round of SRA games. Looks like he’ll be peaking in the international season. I’m not worried about his March form

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                                • DuluthD Duluth

                                  @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Nope, he mustn't. He's certainly good, and in the frame. But smashing shit ozzie teams is not what you judged on. In the SRA games he was no where near as prominent

                                  Really quiet first month but was good in the second round of SRA games. Looks like he’ll be peaking in the international season. I’m not worried about his March form

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                                  @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Nope, he mustn't. He's certainly good, and in the frame. But smashing shit ozzie teams is not what you judged on. In the SRA games he was no where near as prominent

                                  Really quiet first month but was good in the second round of SRA games. Looks like he’ll be peaking in the international season. I’m not worried about his March form

                                  Yeah but Ardie's teammates voted for him as their fave guy.

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                                  • DuluthD Duluth

                                    @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    Nope, he mustn't. He's certainly good, and in the frame. But smashing shit ozzie teams is not what you judged on. In the SRA games he was no where near as prominent

                                    Really quiet first month but was good in the second round of SRA games. Looks like he’ll be peaking in the international season. I’m not worried about his March form

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                                    @duluth I'm not saying he's not in the frame, but as uncontested no 1 eight? Nope

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                                      I think Sotutu and Akira Inoue should be fighting for the No. 8 spot. A very green but accurate Grace will be waiting in the background as well.

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                                        I think Sotutu and Akira Inoue should be fighting for the No. 8 spot. A very green but accurate Grace will be waiting in the background as well.

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                                        @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        I think Sotutu and Akira Inoue should be fighting for the No. 8 spot. A very green but accurate Grace will be waiting in the background as well.

                                        Better on keyboards.

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                                        • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                          @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          I think Sotutu and Akira Inoue should be fighting for the No. 8 spot. A very green but accurate Grace will be waiting in the background as well.

                                          Better on keyboards.

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                                          @nostrildamus Cheap Italian red

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