All Blacks 2021
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus He hasn't looked very good at 12.
Honestly, when was his last truly good game?
It would have to be when he was at 13, so it’s probably (literally) years ago.
I like him and think he is world class, but he’s been well fucked around.
I wonder though if they are trying to turn him into a 12 because he is missing that yard of pace which makes a good center into a great one.
Conrad Smith and Joe Stanley would have same said. But top speed is his weakness. Honestly he is much better at Centre because he reads the game on defence and attack better than the others, and is a good distributor. Apart from ALB, the others are lacking.
@kev said in All Blacks 2021:
Conrad Smith and Joe Stanley would have same said. But top speed is his weakness. Honestly he is much better at Centre because he reads the game on defence and attack better than the others, and is a good distributor. Apart from ALB, the others are lacking.
Have any two quality midfielders been mucked about by the selectors as much as as ALB &JG? Ma'a only become the player he was when he treated with some consistency.
Think the 12/13 stocks are getting better though. Reiko's played much better at 13 this year and Havilli is def. worth a run out at 12 with ALB.
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Okay, Sparky's squad.
Ethan De Groot, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson and Zarn Sulivan just miss out.
Hookers: Taylor, Coles, Aumua
Props: Laulala, Karl T, Hodgman, Angus T, Newell, Ross
Locks: S. Whitelock, S. Barrett, Tuipulotu, Retallick, PPP
Loosies: Papali'i, Sotutu, Savea, A. Ioane, Blackadder, Grace, Jacobson
Half Back: Weber, Drummond, Smith (won't play)
First Fives: Mo'unga, B. Barrett
Midfield: Havili, R. Ioane, PUJ, Nankivell
Back 3: DMac, J. Barrett, Jordan, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Nareki
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Okay, Sparky's squad.
Ethan De Groot, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson and Zarn Sulivan just miss out.
Hookers: Taylor, Coles, Aumua
Props: Laulala, Karl T, Hodgman, Angus T, Newell, Ross
Locks: S. Whitelock, S. Barrett, Tuipulotu, Retallick, PPP
Loosies: Papali'i, Sotutu, Savea, A. Ioane, Blackadder, Grace, Jacobson
Half Back: Weber, Drummond, Smith (won't play)
First Fives: Mo'unga, B. Barrett
Midfield: Havili, R. Ioane, PUJ, Nankivell
Back 3: DMac, J. Barrett, Jordan, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Nareki
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@sparky PPP won't be in the AB squad as he has already been named in the Maori squad. Same for Nankivell.
I expect that ALB will be included and another player (probabaly PUJ) will be added as cover.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@sparky PPP won't be in the AB squad as he has already been named in the Maori squad. Same for Nankivell.
I expect that ALB will be included and another player (probabaly PUJ) will be added as cover.
Nothing stopping the coaches moving PPP and Nankivell from the Maori squad to the AB squad and naming replacements for the Maori, especially in Nankivell's case with ALB out. I thought PPP was excellent for the Highlanders on Saturday.
My squad is what I would name not what I think Foz and Co will name on Monday.
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I am not convinced by PPP, yet. I have my doubts about his fitness, and dare I say it his heart. He was struggling to move around last night before he got that knock. He was doing a lot of walking and taking his time getting off the ground.
His lineout work on his own throw and his ability to win the contact is pretty bloody good so I haven't written him off yet. Aren't I nice.
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Okay, Sparky's squad.
Ethan De Groot, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson and Zarn Sulivan just miss out.
Hookers: Taylor, Coles, Aumua
Props: Laulala, Karl T, Hodgman, Angus T, Newell, Ross
Locks: S. Whitelock, S. Barrett, Tuipulotu, Retallick, PPP
Loosies: Papali'i, Sotutu, Savea, A. Ioane, Blackadder, Grace, Jacobson
Half Back: Weber, Drummond, Smith (won't play)
First Fives: Mo'unga, B. Barrett
Midfield: Havili, R. Ioane, PUJ, Nankivell
Back 3: DMac, J. Barrett, Jordan, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Nareki
@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:
Okay, Sparky's squad.
Ethan De Groot, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson and Zarn Sulivan just miss out.
Hookers: Taylor, Coles, Aumua
Props: Laulala, Karl T, Hodgman, Angus T, Newell, Ross
Locks: S. Whitelock, S. Barrett, Tuipulotu, Retallick, PPP
Loosies: Papali'i, Sotutu, Savea, A. Ioane, Blackadder, Grace, Jacobson
Half Back: Weber, Drummond, Smith (won't play)
First Fives: Mo'unga, B. Barrett
Midfield: Havili, R. Ioane, PUJ, Nankivell
Back 3: DMac, J. Barrett, Jordan, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Nareki
PPP over Vaa'i?
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I am not convinced by PPP, yet. I have my doubts about his fitness, and dare I say it his heart. He was struggling to move around last night before he got that knock. He was doing a lot of walking and taking his time getting off the ground.
His lineout work on his own throw and his ability to win the contact is pretty bloody good so I haven't written him off yet. Aren't I nice.
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:
I am not convinced by PPP, yet. I have my doubts about his fitness, and dare I say it his heart. He was struggling to move around last night before he got that knock. He was doing a lot of walking and taking his time getting off the ground.
His lineout work on his own throw and his ability to win the contact is pretty bloody good so I haven't written him off yet. Aren't I nice.
Yeah me too - he has a severe case of concrete feet. When he makes it to the contact, he's brilliant and bloody strong, but man he's a worry on defence if there's even a hint of direction change.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:
Okay, Sparky's squad.
Ethan De Groot, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson and Zarn Sulivan just miss out.
Hookers: Taylor, Coles, Aumua
Props: Laulala, Karl T, Hodgman, Angus T, Newell, Ross
Locks: S. Whitelock, S. Barrett, Tuipulotu, Retallick, PPP
Loosies: Papali'i, Sotutu, Savea, A. Ioane, Blackadder, Grace, Jacobson
Half Back: Weber, Drummond, Smith (won't play)
First Fives: Mo'unga, B. Barrett
Midfield: Havili, R. Ioane, PUJ, Nankivell
Back 3: DMac, J. Barrett, Jordan, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Nareki
PPP over Vaa'i?
@booboo yea they gave Vaai his debut last year and he was so shit they are gonna drop him for a guy who hasn't done a great deal.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:
Okay, Sparky's squad.
Ethan De Groot, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson and Zarn Sulivan just miss out.
Hookers: Taylor, Coles, Aumua
Props: Laulala, Karl T, Hodgman, Angus T, Newell, Ross
Locks: S. Whitelock, S. Barrett, Tuipulotu, Retallick, PPP
Loosies: Papali'i, Sotutu, Savea, A. Ioane, Blackadder, Grace, Jacobson
Half Back: Weber, Drummond, Smith (won't play)
First Fives: Mo'unga, B. Barrett
Midfield: Havili, R. Ioane, PUJ, Nankivell
Back 3: DMac, J. Barrett, Jordan, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Nareki
PPP over Vaa'i?
@booboo Yes, but we have lots of good locks.
The way I see our lock situation is three 2m + guys: Whitelock, Retallick, PPP
Four 1.98 guys: Tuipulotu, Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson.
I'd always pick the three big guys for the AB squad because that extra height and physicality are a huge advantage at Test Level.
All four of the other guys are very good players (Robinson can also cover 6), but their leadership skills and smarts give Tuipulotu and Scott Barrett the edge.
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:
I am not convinced by PPP, yet. I have my doubts about his fitness, and dare I say it his heart. He was struggling to move around last night before he got that knock. He was doing a lot of walking and taking his time getting off the ground.
His lineout work on his own throw and his ability to win the contact is pretty bloody good so I haven't written him off yet. Aren't I nice.
Yeah me too - he has a severe case of concrete feet. When he makes it to the contact, he's brilliant and bloody strong, but man he's a worry on defence if there's even a hint of direction change.
@bones Parkinson's defence is much improved in 2021. He made 12 tackles last night and missed 0.
I think they'll give the nod to Tupou Vaa'i who is an exceptional player. No significant complaints with that selection, although I see PPP as a more natural partner to Whitelock or Retallick if one of them can't play.
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I think that Parkinson needs to add a few kegs to his lean frame to make him a more effective ball-carrier at the next level.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
I think that Parkinson needs to add a few kegs to his lean frame to make him a more effective ball-carrier at the next level.
Fair comment. With Taylor, Whitelock, Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu we are likely to have four bloody good ball-carriers in the forwards. I want to see the 2021 All Balcks use their forwards to carry more than the ABs have done in recent years.
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@bones Parkinson's defence is much improved in 2021. He made 12 tackles last night and missed 0.
I think they'll give the nod to Tupou Vaa'i who is an exceptional player. No significant complaints with that selection, although I see PPP as a more natural partner to Whitelock or Retallick if one of them can't play.
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I think that Parkinson needs to add a few kegs to his lean frame to make him a more effective ball-carrier at the next level.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
I think that Parkinson needs to add a few kegs to his lean frame to make him a more effective ball-carrier at the next level.
But he's waaaaaay bigger than you, hur hur hur.
But seriously, he's already done that.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
I think that Parkinson needs to add a few kegs to his lean frame to make him a more effective ball-carrier at the next level.
Fair comment. With Taylor, Whitelock, Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu we are likely to have four bloody good ball-carriers in the forwards. I want to see the 2021 All Balcks use their forwards to carry more than the ABs have done in recent years.
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@booboo Yes, but we have lots of good locks.
The way I see our lock situation is three 2m + guys: Whitelock, Retallick, PPP
Four 1.98 guys: Tuipulotu, Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson.
I'd always pick the three big guys for the AB squad because that extra height and physicality are a huge advantage at Test Level.
All four of the other guys are very good players (Robinson can also cover 6), but their leadership skills and smarts give Tuipulotu and Scott Barrett the edge.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:
Tupou Vaa'i
Nah Scott B is 197cm so he's third tier.
Then again Brad Thorn was even shorter and had ok physicality. -
@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:
I want to see the 2021 All Balcks use their forwards to carry more than the ABs have done in recent years.
It would be great if our props joined the party too.
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@booboo Yes, but we have lots of good locks.
The way I see our lock situation is three 2m + guys: Whitelock, Retallick, PPP
Four 1.98 guys: Tuipulotu, Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson.
I'd always pick the three big guys for the AB squad because that extra height and physicality are a huge advantage at Test Level.
All four of the other guys are very good players (Robinson can also cover 6), but their leadership skills and smarts give Tuipulotu and Scott Barrett the edge.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo Yes, but we have lots of good locks.
The way I see our lock situation is three 2m + guys: Whitelock, Retallick, PPP
Four 1.98 guys: Tuipulotu, Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson.
I'd always pick the three big guys for the AB squad because that extra height and physicality are a huge advantage at Test Level.
All four of the other guys are very good players (Robinson can also cover 6), but their leadership skills and smarts give Tuipulotu and Scott Barrett the edge.
Leadership wise, the Blues looked good when Robinson led.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo Yes, but we have lots of good locks.
The way I see our lock situation is three 2m + guys: Whitelock, Retallick, PPP
Four 1.98 guys: Tuipulotu, Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Tom Robinson.
I'd always pick the three big guys for the AB squad because that extra height and physicality are a huge advantage at Test Level.
All four of the other guys are very good players (Robinson can also cover 6), but their leadership skills and smarts give Tuipulotu and Scott Barrett the edge.
Leadership wise, the Blues looked good when Robinson led.
@kev Agree. But hard to argue he's a better Lock or leader than Patrick Tuipulotu or Scott Barrett.
I hope he's picked on Monday. He's a very good player and won't be out of place at all for the ABs.
Just missed out in my squad at both lock and in the backrow because I thought the alternatives were a little bit better. Not much in it.
