All Blacks 2021
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year. -
Fozzie on Christie:
“With Finlay, we were really excited with how fast [he is], he's quick to the ruck, and things happen around him,” All Blacks coach Foster said.
“It's like he’s had too much sugar before each game. He runs around and is very, very busy.”
Probably sums up all the good and bad of his play right there!
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@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
Being potentially second choice in a 14 team competition behind a player so important/good that he will probably only get 10 mins each round. He may Steve Bradbury his way to 80 minutes each week, but was it the best option.
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Fozzie on Christie:
“With Finlay, we were really excited with how fast [he is], he's quick to the ruck, and things happen around him,” All Blacks coach Foster said.
“It's like he’s had too much sugar before each game. He runs around and is very, very busy.”
Probably sums up all the good and bad of his play right there!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
Fozzie on Christie:
“With Finlay, we were really excited with how fast [he is], he's quick to the ruck, and things happen around him,” All Blacks coach Foster said.
“It's like he’s had too much sugar before each game. He runs around and is very, very busy.”
Which Christie is he watching?
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@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
Being potentially second choice in a 14 team competition behind a player so important/good that he will probably only get 10 mins each round. He may Steve Bradbury his way to 80 minutes each week, but was it the best option.
@rapido Are you talking to yourself? :face_with_tears_of_joy:
They wouldn't have signed Enari if they expected Fakatava to be available, this year. Fakatava got injured reasonably early in the season; without his injury, Fakatava also had a very good chance to be in the ABs (with Weber, because no TJP). So his move to the Magpies was to have him there as a first choice halfback, this year (and probably next year, as well).
Anyway, why again are you discussing an NPC signing by a team you don't support in an All Blacks thread?
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@rapido Are you talking to yourself? :face_with_tears_of_joy:
They wouldn't have signed Enari if they expected Fakatava to be available, this year. Fakatava got injured reasonably early in the season; without his injury, Fakatava also had a very good chance to be in the ABs (with Weber, because no TJP). So his move to the Magpies was to have him there as a first choice halfback, this year (and probably next year, as well).
Anyway, why again are you discussing an NPC signing by a team you don't support in an All Blacks thread?
@stargazer When is Fakatava likely to be fit to play again? Any chance he could go on whatever sort of EOYT we have planned?
I gather he'll likely be in a sort of eligibility limbo next year if he can't play this year due to changing/lengthening of residency requirements?
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Fakatava was an ACL wasn't it? even professional sportsmen take several months dont they?
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@stargazer When is Fakatava likely to be fit to play again? Any chance he could go on whatever sort of EOYT we have planned?
I gather he'll likely be in a sort of eligibility limbo next year if he can't play this year due to changing/lengthening of residency requirements?
@chris-b He got injured on 2 April 2021 (full ACL tear requiring surgery). At the time, they said his injury had an rehabilitation period of 9 - 12 months. That would mean Jan-April 2022.
Indeed, it may result in eligibility limbo. They need to seek clarification from World Rugby asap about whether his stay in NZ during his school years amounts to principal residence in NZ (which would mean that the residency period can already start to run in the year he moved to NZ) or whether they use the standard interpretation, that his principal residence was with his parents in Tonga (a bit complicated, because IIRC only one of his parents lived in Tonga and the other one in Australia, and he hardly went back to either). This would mean that his residency period starts to run when he left school. There's a two years difference between both interpretations, which are crucial if the 5-years residency starts to run at the end of this year (as expected).
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@chris-b He got injured on 2 April 2021 (full ACL tear requiring surgery). At the time, they said his injury had an rehabilitation period of 9 - 12 months. That would mean Jan-April 2022.
Indeed, it may result in eligibility limbo. They need to seek clarification from World Rugby asap about whether his stay in NZ during his school years amounts to principal residence in NZ (which would mean that the residency period can already start to run in the year he moved to NZ) or whether they use the standard interpretation, that his principal residence was with his parents in Tonga (a bit complicated, because IIRC only one of his parents lived in Tonga and the other one in Australia, and he hardly went back to either). This would mean that his residency period starts to run when he left school. There's a two years difference between both interpretations, which are crucial if the 5-years residency starts to run at the end of this year (as expected).
@stargazer yeah, im told i wont be running for another couple of months and i did mine in march and the surgeon said that was good progress, im sure someone getting paid to work on it might be slightly fast but still
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I doubt that the residency rules will change. Reece was only eligible 3 years after leaving school.
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Fakatava was always going to be 5 years, the 3 year possibility only came about for him unexpectedly because WR felt some poor nation-hopping mercenary petals were going to 'unfairly' miss their opportunity due to covid cancelled November & June tests last year.
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@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
Being potentially second choice in a 14 team competition behind a player so important/good that he will probably only get 10 mins each round. He may Steve Bradbury his way to 80 minutes each week, but was it the best option.
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
Being potentially second choice in a 14 team competition behind a player so important/good that he will probably only get 10 mins each round. He may Steve Bradbury his way to 80 minutes each week, but was it the best option.
What is your issue bro? He’s going to be number 1 for a season in the top division with the Ranfurly Shield holders. If he plays well he’ll be in the forefront of coaches minds. Better than being behind a journeyman in the same competition.
Edit: on my phone so didn’t realise there was a whole page more of discussion, which has covered my points.
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@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
Being potentially second choice in a 14 team competition behind a player so important/good that he will probably only get 10 mins each round. He may Steve Bradbury his way to 80 minutes each week, but was it the best option.
What is your issue bro? He’s going to be number 1 for a season in the top division with the Ranfurly Shield holders. If he plays well he’ll be in the forefront of coaches minds. Better than being behind a journeyman in the same competition.
Edit: on my phone so didn’t realise there was a whole page more of discussion, which has covered my points.
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
Being potentially second choice in a 14 team competition behind a player so important/good that he will probably only get 10 mins each round. He may Steve Bradbury his way to 80 minutes each week, but was it the best option.
What is your issue bro? He’s going to be number 1 for a season in the top division with the Ranfurly Shield holders. If he plays well he’ll be in the forefront of coaches minds. Better than being behind a journeyman in the same competition.
Edit: on my phone so didn’t realise there was a whole page more of discussion, which has covered my points.
I see he signed 4 days ago. Yes, that is a good move. I concede.
If he had signed this back in Feb, or something, then my point would have been valid.
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@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris Is Enari staying at the Crusaders? He was an absolute gun at U20 level, then basically didn't play for several years. Has also suffered under poor coaching at Canterbury. There must be something wrong with him if he doesn't move to get more opportunity, as he will have doomed any international aspirations by staying in the same franchise.
Enari has been out of NPC and SR for at least a year, because of a horror leg injury. I think it was 2019?
He has now moved away from Canterbury and will be the top dog in the Magpies' squad, with both Weber and Fakatava unavailable. The Magpies have great coaches. He now gets the chance to prove himself and should grab the opportunity with both hands. If successful, who knows whether/where he'll end up playing Super Rugby?
Who the hell would move to an NPC team with already Fakatava and Webber there in your position? Game time will be pure luck, not design.
The guy has a great knack for terrible transfers, it seems.
Brad Weber is with the ABs this season, and it may very well be his last in NZ.
Fakatava won't play for us this year because of his injury, and may very well be in the ABs, next year, or the following year.
The guy has made a good move. He's first choice this season, and first or second choice next year.When did he make the move, though? Design or luck?
Being potentially second choice in a 14 team competition behind a player so important/good that he will probably only get 10 mins each round. He may Steve Bradbury his way to 80 minutes each week, but was it the best option.
What is your issue bro? He’s going to be number 1 for a season in the top division with the Ranfurly Shield holders. If he plays well he’ll be in the forefront of coaches minds. Better than being behind a journeyman in the same competition.
Edit: on my phone so didn’t realise there was a whole page more of discussion, which has covered my points.
I see he signed 4 days ago. Yes, that is a good move. I concede.
If he had signed this back in Feb, or something, then my point would have been valid.
@rapido I think even back in Feb it would have made sense - Fakatava was primed for a breakout year, Weber was likely always going to be in the ABs.
We needed a halfback no matter what.
I find it weird he didn’t have a team until recently, unless the Pies and the Village of the Damned made a deal?
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@rapido I think even back in Feb it would have made sense - Fakatava was primed for a breakout year, Weber was likely always going to be in the ABs.
We needed a halfback no matter what.
I find it weird he didn’t have a team until recently, unless the Pies and the Village of the Damned made a deal?
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido I think even back in Feb it would have made sense - Fakatava was primed for a breakout year, Weber was likely always going to be in the ABs.
We needed a halfback no matter what.
I find it weird he didn’t have a team until recently, unless the Pies and the Village of the Damned made a deal?
Yeah. Or just sign for Southland or sumthink. I'd have lined up an almsot guaranteed first choice NPC contract as soon as possible.
The guy needs minutes. He's been 2nd or 3rd choice at SR level and NPC level from most of his career.
