Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
You hear what you want to hear. Nasser and Sangakarra along others were very complimentary of our batsmen, and Bishop of Kylo especially. Whatever triggers you I guess
Well I heard that.
I've been mainly listening to the NZ radio commentary with the TV on, but the commentary I've listened to has been very balanced regarding Kane.
They mentions his weaknesses (like being a glory hound for fifties apparently) as much as his obvious strengths (he is friendly with and respects Kholi and is a humble loser in big matches).
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
You hear what you want to hear. Nasser and Sangakarra along others were very complimentary of our batsmen, and Bishop of Kylo especially. Whatever triggers you I guess
Well I heard that.
I've been mainly listening to the NZ radio commentary with the TV on, but the commentary I've listened to has been very balanced regarding Kane.
They mentions his weaknesses (like being a glory hound for fifties apparently) as much as his obvious strengths (he is friendly with and respects Kholi and is a humble loser in big matches).
I didn't hear the glory hound comment. That is clearly bogus and certainly from Gavaskar its a bit rich
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still infuriated with the fucking neutral coverage. If you just listened to the comm's an never heard the score, you'd currently estimate India at 650/10, and NZ all out for 125 in the easiest possible batting conditions. The magnificence of Kohli's captaincy and Shami's bowling what has given India such a powerful position given that NZ were batting on a concrete pitch in summer heat with no humidity.
Well what do you expect when we have selfish captain who was playing for his fifty according to Gavaskar?
You hear what you want to hear. Nasser and Sangakarra along others were very complimentary of our batsmen, and Bishop of Kylo especially. Whatever triggers you I guess
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Still infuriated with the fucking neutral coverage. If you just listened to the comm's an never heard the score, you'd currently estimate India at 650/10, and NZ all out for 125 in the easiest possible batting conditions. The magnificence of Kohli's captaincy and Shami's bowling what has given India such a powerful position given that NZ were batting on a concrete pitch in summer heat with no humidity.
Well what do you expect when we have selfish captain who was playing for his fifty according to Gavaskar?
You hear what you want to hear. Nasser and Sangakarra along others were very complimentary of our batsmen, and Bishop of Kylo especially. Whatever triggers you I guess
I haven't really noticed it, at all. But, I have done many years of training under Channel 9 commentary teams, when we were shit...
Has seemed to me that everyone is being talked up as being pretty bloody good - and I'm reminded of something BMac said in his book about being a cricketer in India. You are basically a god, so can never be dismissed by a poor shot - only by brilliant bowling or an astounding catch!
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Tomorrow morning is going to be massive. If we can dislodge 3 or more of them for not much it will be red alert for India. Even if they survive, we showed in the first innings that we have the ability to knock a bunch of them out in a hurry. It feels like we are the only ones with a chance to win now, I just can't see India having the time to post a competitive chasing target and bowl us out
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Tomorrow morning is going to be massive. If we can dislodge 3 or more of them for not much it will be red alert for India. Even if they survive, we showed in the first innings that we have the ability to knock a bunch of them out in a hurry. It feels like we are the only ones with a chance to win now, I just can't see India having the time to post a competitive chasing target and bowl us out
This will be a big morning depending on how much either side wants a result. Wickets important for us, but ultimately with this pitch playing the way it is, if anyone comes in for India and scores quick runs in an unorthodox fashion then, I think they would back themselves to bowl at us too. We all know they have players that can do that too.
It just doesn't seem like the type of pitch you can just hang in there and block for time.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
You hear what you want to hear. Nasser and Sangakarra along others were very complimentary of our batsmen, and Bishop of Kylo especially. Whatever triggers you I guess
Well I heard that.
I've been mainly listening to the NZ radio commentary with the TV on, but the commentary I've listened to has been very balanced regarding Kane.
They mentions his weaknesses (like being a glory hound for fifties apparently) as much as his obvious strengths (he is friendly with and respects Kholi and is a humble loser in big matches).
I didn't hear the glory hound comment. That is clearly bogus and certainly from Gavaskar its a bit rich
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
You hear what you want to hear. Nasser and Sangakarra along others were very complimentary of our batsmen, and Bishop of Kylo especially. Whatever triggers you I guess
Well I heard that.
I've been mainly listening to the NZ radio commentary with the TV on, but the commentary I've listened to has been very balanced regarding Kane.
They mentions his weaknesses (like being a glory hound for fifties apparently) as much as his obvious strengths (he is friendly with and respects Kholi and is a humble loser in big matches).
I didn't hear the glory hound comment. That is clearly bogus and certainly from Gavaskar its a bit rich
That was odd, he was trying to up the scoring rate and the ball was there to punch through the covers. It just seamed and bounced a bit. It's not like he played a reckless shot trying to get his 50.
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TAB is saying Draw $1.18, NZ $5, India $17.
Seems reasonable.
India can't afford to force the pace at all in the first session, so I reckon their lead will be no more than 100 at lunch. If thing go well for them they could maybe be 200 ahead by tea. I'm not sure Virat would allow us a shot at getting that in 40 overs.
Best chance for us losing is probably if India gets bowled out 150 ahead and we fall in a heap chasing.
But, with sun on the pitch and their seamers a bit tired, I can't see things being as difficult as they were last night.
Our path to victory - blast out Pujara, Kohli and Rahane early. Pant will give you a chance - as probably will Jadeja and Ashwin - and their last three wickets shouldn't hurt us too much.
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@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
To me there's only two results on the table - draw and NZ win.
I still think a NZ collapse (again) is possible. I don't think India need a huge total either, we are our own worst enemy under pressure.
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@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
To me there's only two results on the table - draw and NZ win.
I still think a NZ collapse (again) is possible. I don't think India need a huge total either, we are our own worst enemy under pressure.
@bayimports don't forget in that scenario India would also be under pressure.
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@bayimports don't forget in that scenario India would also be under pressure.
@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@bayimports don't forget in that scenario India would also be under pressure.
oh I am not, I just think India is better in general with dealing those nerves than we are. Don't think for one minute I want to see it happen, but it wouldn't completely surprise me if it did.
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@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@bayimports don't forget in that scenario India would also be under pressure.
oh I am not, I just think India is better in general with dealing those nerves than we are. Don't think for one minute I want to see it happen, but it wouldn't completely surprise me if it did.
@bayimports said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@bayimports don't forget in that scenario India would also be under pressure.
oh I am not, I just think India is better in general with dealing those nerves than we are. Don't think for one minute I want to see it happen, but it wouldn't completely surprise me if it did.
Looking at our first innings batting card, two down looks at risk of triggering a collapse to expose the tail to Ashwin and Jadeja...
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@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
To me there's only two results on the table - draw and NZ win.
I still think a NZ collapse (again) is possible. I don't think India need a huge total either, we are our own worst enemy under pressure.
@bayimports It's not impossible, but probably going to need 18 wickets to fall in a day.
Wouldn't surprise me if batting gets progressively easier tomorrow and is at its best for the test.
I think India's best chance of winning was to knock Little Kane over in the first session yesterday - certainly, I was at my most worried when they skittled BJ.
If they'd mopped us up quickly and, say, 60 behind, India could be a long way ahead by now.
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Watling the keeper is still excellent. I'd had an impression from last summer and scores in ND games that Watling the batsman hasn't quite been his usual rescuing batsman self lately, possibly since his double ton v England at Bay Oval in 2019. I've finally bothered to check some recent stats:
And Tests by year:
Ideally he won't be needed with the bat tonight, but hopefully it's a fitting farewell for the understated legend if he is required.
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Perhaps the major issue with the commentary is that they never bloody shut up!
They call it like it's rugby with no dead air allowed.Cricket is enhanced when they shut up and let the pictures do the talking leaving us to make sense and build suspense in our own heads.
Bumble and Gower would often go a whole over without talking, simply because there was nothing worthwhile to add.
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@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@bayimports don't forget in that scenario India would also be under pressure.
oh I am not, I just think India is better in general with dealing those nerves than we are. Don't think for one minute I want to see it happen, but it wouldn't completely surprise me if it did.
@bayimports said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I just think India is better in general with dealing those nerves than we are.
I guess you've got to have a special sort of personality to deal with the expectations of a billion Indians watching you.
They've doubtless got shedloads of highly talented players at home, who couldn't sleep for a week when they got their big chance.
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Perhaps the major issue with the commentary is that they never bloody shut up!
They call it like it's rugby with no dead air allowed.Cricket is enhanced when they shut up and let the pictures do the talking leaving us to make sense and build suspense in our own heads.
Bumble and Gower would often go a whole over without talking, simply because there was nothing worthwhile to add.
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Perhaps the major issue with the commentary is that they never bloody shut up!
They call it like it's rugby with no dead air allowed.Cricket is enhanced when they shut up and let the pictures do the talking leaving us to make sense and build suspense in our own heads.
Bumble and Gower would often go a whole over without talking, simply because there was nothing worthwhile to add.
Yeah, they keep bringing up random tests from the past as well. The test has been utterly engrossing, I couldn't turn it off last night, and yet the comms start wanking on about a triple century Davey Dumb scored God knows when, flashing up the scorecard etc. It feels like someone decided this would be a great chance to advertise test cricket by bringing up games from the past? When the best advertisement is actually focusing on providing a detailed analysis of the two best teams in the world going hammer and tong in the final.
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Watling the keeper is still excellent. I'd had an impression from last summer and scores in ND games that Watling the batsman hasn't quite been his usual rescuing batsman self lately, possibly since his double ton v England at Bay Oval in 2019. I've finally bothered to check some recent stats:
And Tests by year:
Ideally he won't be needed with the bat tonight, but hopefully it's a fitting farewell for the understated legend if he is required.
@donsteppa If you add the 2020 and 2021 stats for BJ together, you get the 11 innings of the two preceding years - but, an average of about 17.
Probably timing his departure about right.
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A good list to be part of - from Wisden:
The only players with more Test sixes than Tim Southee:
McCullum
Gilchrist
Gayle
Kallis
Sehwag
Lara
Cairns
Richards
Flintoff
Hayden
Misbah
Pietersen
Stokes
Dhoni
@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
A good list to be part of - from Wisden:
The only players with more Test sixes than Tim Southee:
McCullum
Gilchrist
Gayle
Kallis
Sehwag
Lara
Cairns
Richards
Flintoff
Hayden
Misbah
Pietersen
Stokes
Dhoni
Anyone feel like building a "sixes rate" table? Sixes per 100 balls faced? I'm too busy at the moment sorry
