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  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

    @gt12 it’s easier to see and comment on something with hindsight. But we seemed to have lost our way during that journey.

    Let’s not forget we beat the French by 20+ in 2003.

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    @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

    @gt12 it’s easier to see and comment on something with hindsight. But we seemed to have lost our way during that journey.

    Let’s not forget we beat the French by 20+ in 2003.

    That's unfair. Pretty much everyone saw that game as being, at least, potentially game changing, The French were (I think) the European Champions and we fucking smoked them.

    An example:

    The all-blacks threw down a challenge to the rest of world rugby with an awesome display of power and pace that destroyed the European champions. Two weeks ago this France side comfortably beat the Australians on the same ground. Last night they simply could not live with the physicality and speed of New Zealand, who scored five unanswered tries and could have had a hatful more. If the All Blacks are not the best team in the world at the moment, then someone, somewhere, is hiding a very good team.
    

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2004/nov/28/rugbyunion.newzealandrugbyunionteam

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      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300357937/all-blacks-vs-fiji-ian-foster-planning-on-sam-cane-missing-entire-rugby-championship

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        Time to lay off Foster guys.

        Hart has given the word.

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

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          Time to lay off Foster guys.

          Hart has given the word.

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

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          @frank said in All Blacks 2021:

          Time to lay off Foster guys.

          Hart has given the word.

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

          Well lay off of him when he does something to give us reason to, something he hasn't done in his disappointing head coach career so far!

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          • broughieB broughie

            @booboo forgot out that. I miss that and hokey pokey and my favorite blackberry.

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            @broughie said in All Blacks 2021:

            forgot out that. I miss that and hokey pokey and my favorite blackberry.

            Jeez, stop it will ya? You're making me both nostalgic and home-sick...

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            • SnowyS Snowy

              @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

              @snowy Pokeno Bacon in Mercer is a must-stop if I need a feed on my way to/from Auckland. There is the butchery shop in Pokeno too.

              Yep, we stop for the cheese shop in Mercer, the butcher in Pokeno. Huntly was a toilet stop. Apologies to those from Huntly. Haven't been South for a while but I think that the by pass has been done? So that will be a ghost town too.

              @broughie As for Pap replacing Cane? That seems unlikely (for now). Although I wouldn't mind too much either. Have them both in the squad but the captain is going to be there.

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              @snowy said in All Blacks 2021:

              @broughie As for Pap replacing Cane? That seems unlikely (for now). Although I wouldn't mind too much either. Have them both in the squad but the captain is going to be there.

              Cane is also very physical on D and at the breakdown - we need as much of that as we can get IMHO.

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              • TimT Tim

                @chris Eyes were rolling today too over that. Come on!

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                @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                @chris Eyes were rolling today too over that. Come on!

                I actually don't have much of a problem with their not knowing the top team right now.

                My big worry is that they don't seem to have an actual plan to figure out their top team.

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                • F Frank

                  Time to lay off Foster guys.

                  Hart has given the word.

                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

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                  @frank said in All Blacks 2021:

                  Time to lay off Foster guys.

                  Hart has given the word.

                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

                  Jesus wept. The same Hart that inherited a great team from Mains and was responsible for the 99 semifinal?

                  Who else has booked a seat on this cavalcade of mediocrity?

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                  • antipodeanA antipodean

                    @frank said in All Blacks 2021:

                    Time to lay off Foster guys.

                    Hart has given the word.

                    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

                    Jesus wept. The same Hart that inherited a great team from Mains and was responsible for the 99 semifinal?

                    Who else has booked a seat on this cavalcade of mediocrity?

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                    @antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @frank said in All Blacks 2021:

                    Time to lay off Foster guys.

                    Hart has given the word.

                    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

                    Jesus wept. The same Hart that inherited a great team from Mains and was responsible for the 99 semifinal?

                    Who else has booked a seat on this cavalcade of mediocrity?

                    I'm not endorsing Foster, but I think Hart has a point about the media bandwagon and the ghost of Scott Robinson. Media campaigns for a specific manager almost always end in disaster - just ask Martin Johnson and England.

                    The real elephant in the room is lack of management and foresight by the NZRFU in succession planning of the coaching team - too many good candidates get lost to NZ way too easily.

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                    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                      @antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @frank said in All Blacks 2021:

                      Time to lay off Foster guys.

                      Hart has given the word.

                      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

                      Jesus wept. The same Hart that inherited a great team from Mains and was responsible for the 99 semifinal?

                      Who else has booked a seat on this cavalcade of mediocrity?

                      I'm not endorsing Foster, but I think Hart has a point about the media bandwagon and the ghost of Scott Robinson. Media campaigns for a specific manager almost always end in disaster - just ask Martin Johnson and England.

                      The real elephant in the room is lack of management and foresight by the NZRFU in succession planning of the coaching team - too many good candidates get lost to NZ way too easily.

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                      @victor-meldrew I'd agree with you on both points. The NZ rugby media (who are largely ignorant Muppets in days ending in "y") opt for clickbait and drama. NZR's demonstrated incompetence was obvious in the last coach selection. It seems they aren't communicating sufficiently with the talent we export who believe they've got no chance.

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                      • antipodeanA antipodean

                        @victor-meldrew I'd agree with you on both points. The NZ rugby media (who are largely ignorant Muppets in days ending in "y") opt for clickbait and drama. NZR's demonstrated incompetence was obvious in the last coach selection. It seems they aren't communicating sufficiently with the talent we export who believe they've got no chance.

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                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:

                        The NZ rugby media (who are largely ignorant Muppets in days ending in "y")

                        The correct technical term is "fluffybunnies"...

                        But Foster & the NZRFU don't help themselves either. They need to get on teh front foot and explain their approach (assuming there is one) rather than think the media circus is going to blow over.

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                        • F Frank

                          Time to lay off Foster guys.

                          Hart has given the word.

                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-i-dislike-what-i-see-former-all-blacks-coach-john-hart-says-ian-foster-should-be-left-alone/BDNEXD2C64FIF4FAWNS4LDA6TY/

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                          @frank Fair call too. Some incredible vitriol in the media. Feel sorry for the coaches having to put up with it.

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                            @frank Fair call too. Some incredible vitriol in the media. Feel sorry for the coaches having to put up with it.

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                            @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                            @frank Fair call too. Some incredible vitriol in the media. Feel sorry for the coaches having to put up with it.

                            I disagree, all the successful coaches say how the pressure makes the ABs always strive for the best rather than just be good enough. Hansen often talked about it. Foster dors''t, cos he's not up to standard as a head coach. It's a simple fact, as a head coach his record is awful

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                              @broughie said in All Blacks 2021:

                              forgot out that. I miss that and hokey pokey and my favorite blackberry.

                              Jeez, stop it will ya? You're making me both nostalgic and home-sick...

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